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by **account deleted by request** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:55 pm

Sabre wrote:Ah, I wrote the P.S. too late.

I agree he's not a must. but I think he should be a regular starter, I mean getting a similar number of games compared to Mash -- playing more than Benayoun or Lucas, that is.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion , that doesn't mean its right........ or wrong. As I have said previously I will need to see if its a flash in the pan or he can maintain his form.

He shouldn't get anymore games than he deserves, whether that it is more or less than Masch or anyone else is irrelevant.

Or are we now going to start saying Masch has played 20 games Alonso has only played 18 so Alonso MUST play the next two :laugh:

by **Perseo** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:03 am

bueno alonso no es slow, lento en español,simplemente viene de la ligua española, en la premier se juega el balon largo de la defensa al ataque sin pasar por el medio campo aqui se contruye el juego de atras hacia delante, aqui es el pase corto, soy fan del valencia tuvimos a benitez, gracias a el tuvimos dos ligas mas,es un muy buen entrenador, el tiki taka es el pase corto, como jugo españa en la eurocopa, tener el balon marear al contrario y aprovechar el contraataque con torres villa o guiza, veo muchos partidos de la premier, y los comentarios son parecidos aqui los fans hacen muchos equipos 4 4 2 4 4 2 4 5 1, con benitez el valencia fue el mejor equipo en defensa 3 años el medio campo con albelda baraja vicente es parecido al que hace en el liverpool, y en ese papel esta alonso, solo hay que ver el partido españa grecia de la eurocopa para ver de que es capaz alonso.

bueno mañana letonia españa para el mundial suerte a todos
y good luk para alonso en el liverpool

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:10 am

Not sure what you are saying mate ?
This ?

Obviously not

by **Kharhaz** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:14 am

y los comentarios son parecidos aqui los fans hacen muchos equipos 4 4 2 4 4 2 4 5 1,

I think its something to do with the system with regards to games rafa has adopted this season. 442 442 then 451 against city, and about supporters opinions ! I dont know im grasping at straws here !

by **Zidane** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:22 am

Perseo wrote:bueno alonso no es slow, lento en español,simplemente viene de la ligua española, en la premier se juega el balon largo de la defensa al ataque sin pasar por el medio campo aqui se contruye el juego de atras hacia delante, aqui es el pase corto, soy fan del valencia tuvimos a benitez, gracias a el tuvimos dos ligas mas,es un muy buen entrenador, el tiki taka es el pase corto, como jugo españa en la eurocopa, tener el balon marear al contrario y aprovechar el contraataque con torres villa o guiza, veo muchos partidos de la premier, y los comentarios son parecidos aqui los fans hacen muchos equipos 4 4 2 4 4 2 4 5 1, con benitez el valencia fue el mejor equipo en defensa 3 años el medio campo con albelda baraja vicente es parecido al que hace en el liverpool, y en ese papel esta alonso, solo hay que ver el partido españa grecia de la eurocopa para ver de que es capaz alonso.

bueno mañana letonia españa para el mundial suerte a todos
y good luk para alonso en el liverpool

He's just saying he isn't slow he just comes from the spanish league, in the premiership the defense plays long balls without going through the midfield. In spain you control the game from the defense to the strikers with short passes. Then that benitez is a good manager and that, with benitez, valencia was the best defensive team for 3 years in the midfield it's simliar to what he's doing in liverpool. Just look at the spain vs greece match in the Euro to see what Alonso capable of.

Also says something about the commentators being similiar to fans there and they make a lot of teams play 4 4 2 4 4 2 4 5 1 which I didn't understand still now lol.

then just good luck to him in liverpool.

by **Kharhaz** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:27 am

That makes more sense Zidane ! Cheers !

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:28 am

Kharhaz wrote:That makes more sense Zidane ! Cheers !

You were closer than me mate

by **Zidane** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:31 am

Just saw that Xabi was captain that day against Greece, haha crazy.

by **maguskwt** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:57 am

"little soldiers" :laugh:

ranieri must be feckin jealous...

by **Sabre** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:55 am

May I call Mascherano the little soldier

S@int is bringing the article so many times that I'm starting to like the name

Just kidding. What I meant S@int is that IMHO ALonso is not a must, but he won't be unimportant either. True that Rafa wanted to sell ALonso, but true aswell he didn't want to sell him for less than 14M. And on paper, a 15M player should have an important role in this team.

But needless to say, Alonso has to perform well, and deserve his place, as you mention.

P.S. BTW PErseo, in England the midfield not being used and being passed through it is some sort of myth we have in Spain, it's not true.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:39 pm

I still don't agree Sabre. A players importance should be judged on how well he plays not whether he cost £10 million or is now worth £14million. A player should have to earn his place by his performances, and is only as important to the team AS HIS PERFORMANCES DICTATE.

No one should be guarenteed a place unless their performances warrent one. A players importance comes from what he adds to the team not how much he cost or might be worth to another team. Or we may as well pick the team on what their transfer value could be.

If Lucas plays better than Masch ......Lucas should be selected before him ....no doubts no arguements. If Lucas plays better than Alonso, Alonso should be dropped. The only exception to this should be for tactical reasons, but never because he cost £10million or is worth £14million.

Babel cost £11million, Riera only £8million ..... should we drop Riera and play Babel just because he cost more?

I can't understand why you think like that over Alonso? Or maybe the argument should be Masch is worth £18million while Alonso is only worth £14million........ Masch MUST play

by **Sabre** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:54 pm

If you want to discuss for the sake of discussing OK

, but I think we agree in the main. Honest!

Mascherano isn't a must neither!! but if you pay 18M for a player, you can expect a certain level from him no?, and you should expect him playing regularly. I stress "Expect".

I certainly would be very dissapointed with Rafa if he paid 20M for Keane and then he underused him! Of course Keane has to fight his place, but I expect that if so much money has been spent, he'll play.

So, the team have to be selected according to the merits you earn in the games and the training sessions. If Plessis starts to be a massive player with crunching tackles, heads everything that comes nearby etc, he'll earn his chance even if he comes from the youth ranks! But it's fair to expect that if someone is valued with a price tag, he should play more or less according to that price tag and wages.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:58 pm

Fair enough mate , it just didn't come across that way in your previous posts.

p.s. if Keane doesn't start playing better and scoring more I would be dropping him too!

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:08 pm

s@int wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
s@int wrote:
In a game where a team will sit deep and stop us from playing Alonso is a must

You mean like against Stoke?

But agsinst the bigger teams in the league and in Europe Alonso is a must

Like against Inter home and away?

Masch has been m.o.t.m. in 2 out of the four games he's played this season, if thats him when he's burnt out, god help the rest of the prem when he's had a little rest!

Which 2 were they again?

Aston Villa AND the mancs

Just check Badbobs match thread or here it is in black and white

Fans' MOTM table 2008-09:

Steven Gerrard: 3

Fernando Torres: 2

Javier Mascherano. 2

Pepe Reina: 2

Xabi Alonso: 1

Jamie Carragher: 1

Daniel Agger: 1

Liverpoolfc.tv MOTM table 2008-09:

Fernando Torres: 3

Javier Mascherano: 2

Xabi Alonso: 1

Steven Gerrard: 1

Dirk Kuyt: 1

Pepe Reina: 1

Alvaro Arbeloa: 1

Daniel Agger: 1

Which just underlines the fact that most internet fans' closest encounter to the game was when they were about to be born and the ambulance drove past a game of curby...

If I remember rightly, wasn't Mascher completely at fault for the scum goal due to his "amazing" tracking-back ability and positional "awareness"?

Cue the feeble attempts to shift the blame elsewhere...

What really gets my goat is the fact that I like Mascher, and am absolutely made up that he's here. But to read the constant anti-Alonso rubbish, even when the lad is obviously miles ahead of his teammate, is just tiresome.
This is the problem with this place - Xabi absolutely pulls the opposition's pants down, and spanks them for 90 minutes, yet he's "got to do a lot more than that to convince me", or "5 good games doesn't mean he's back to his previous level" (So what DOES he have to do to convince you, My Lords and ladies?)

Yet... Mascherano can be a complete disaster and cost us a piece of p*ss goal against the Mancs, but because he does a few tackles, he's f*cking MOTM! Unbelievable!

He can be absolute cack against Man City, we can go 2-0 down, and yet he's STILL credited with turning the tide because he made a pass that Gerrard played to Arbeloa, which resulted in a goal...

There is a definite "Mascher is the Messiah and Alonso is an a*sehole" feeling on here, and even if Mascher pulled his pants down and shat all over the Shankly gates, you lot would still kiss his freshly-browned backside.
Alonso would score every goal in a title-winning run, and the winner in the CL final, and he'd still be treated like a gangrenous, putrid leper with gout.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:23 pm

The only people that seem to have a misguided opinion of our players appears to be you. Mascher may have been at fault for the manc goal (along with others) he was also involved in us getting the winner as well.... something that appears to have slipped your memory?

You make me laugh, Alonso plays poorly for 18 months, yet you think the sun shines out of his ar$e. HAS A COUPLE of good games and you come back on shouting the odds.

what DOES he have to do to convince you, My Lord

To convince me he has to do what ANY player has to do, play well CONSISTENTLY. Something he hasn't managed for quite a while.

Mascher is the Messiah and Alonso is an a*sehole

That may be your opinion, its certainly not mine. Mascher has played much better for Liverpool CONSISTANTLY than Alonso since his arrival....... thats my opinion.

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