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by **Owzat** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:56 pm

Reg wrote:
Skit wrote:I hear Arsenal also wants to buy Alonso. But Liverpool doesn't want to sell Alonso to a competitor.
I guess Fener has the best cards.

Only if you´re playing snap.

Come on lads, quality news please...............

What's Fenerbahce's record signing? We want serious money for Alonso, better to sell to the big guns. Personally I'd still prefer to keep Alonso than for the intention of paying more for a replacement.

As for selling to a rival, depends who and how influential I think they'd be. Selling Torres or Gerrard to a rival would be stupid, selling Pennant to a rival would be sweet. Selling Alonso to a rival would depend how much they needed him, I'd want £16m minimum bids off Arsenal, £20m off the mancs or chelski before even considering it.

by **puroresu** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:03 pm

s@int wrote:Liverpool Star heading for SHOCK £9.5m exit:

A cheeky offer from a former Chelsea boss for a Liverpool midfielder who is also attracting interest from Arsenal.

Inter Milan according to reports in the UK press are about to make a bid for Liverpool’s Spanish midfield star Alonso but not at the inflated price that Liverpool are demanding.Liverpool fresh from the controversial signing of Robbie Keane have admitted via their manager Rafa Benitez that they now have to sell in order to buy again, Benitez confirmed that if Liverpool want to buy Gareth Barry then some players will have to go and the only player that Liverpool will sell that can raise the required funds is Alonso.

Inter are prepared to bid but will offer nowhere near the amount that Liverpool want, Inter will pay no more than €12 million for a player who it seems is no longer wanted at Anfield, in fact some of the decisions of Benitez in the transfer market has left some pundits scratching their heads, and it seems that clubs around Europe are ready to take advantage of Liverpool’s strange transfer dealings.

Inter have quietly strengthened their side and will see Alonso as the final piece that Mourinho seeks in order to have his team ready for the upcoming season, Liverpool fans on the other hand must be dreading what is going to happen next.
Jose Mourinho is being quite wise here. He knows that Rafa wants cash and he knows that, for some reason, the Spanish boss is more than happy to offload Xabi. Therefore, the newly-installed Inter boss is putting a low bid in and hopes to get a bargain. There is also the interesting facet of this saga that includes Arsenal. Could Benitez be considering taking a smaller fee from the Serie A side over selling to a Premier League rival?

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12million euros!!!!! £9.5million Wtf! I think it is time a line was drawn under all this cr@p. Keep Alonso, and miss out on Barry if we have to., but you don't sell players like Alonso for UNDER £10MILLION EVER.

Does not surprise me as we have made it known that we need to sell. Clubs knowing we need to sell will now test that resolve to see how low we will go.

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:11 pm

Inter just bought Muntari, so I don't think they'll be going after Alonso.

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:12 pm

I am really beginning to get p!ssed off with the way we have handled this transfer window. Our negotiations have been shambolic throughout on every level. We obviously needed to sell players before we could buy but the one thing you don't do when you desperately need to sell, is TELL EVERYONE YOU DON'T HAVE A POT TO P!SS IN.

We have Parry, who no doubt is a waste of space, but who's job has been made much more difficult because he is now under so much pressure to deliver deals after Hicks threatened to sack him for failing.

We have Rafa trying to make deals but can't complete them because "first we need to sell to buy"

We have players not knowing if they are going or not, after their names have been included in various p/x deals which have been laughingly rejected.

We have Alonso who has remained top of our selling list since the end of last season........ still here with his price seemingly falling faster than the housing market.

We seem to have got bottom dollar for our sales and we are being forced to pay top dollar for our buys.....when we arn't being humilliated by grubby little clubs and their managers.

by **puroresu** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:16 pm

ruskiy playmaker wrote:Inter just bought Muntari, so I don't think they'll be going after Alonso.

But if a player of alonso's quality is going cheap then why not.

by **Walkalone** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:41 pm

puroresu wrote:
ruskiy playmaker wrote:Inter just bought Muntari, so I don't think they'll be going after Alonso.

But if a player of alonso's quality is going cheap then why not.

Regardless of what player wants, Fener agreed with LFC for 12 million pounds. Don't believe that LFC would sell Xabi to Inter for less than that. It does not make sense. I wouldn't worry about Inter's offer. I would worry about what Xabi would want. If he says, I won't go to FB, I will go to Inter, then that's a different story.

by **Owzat** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:00 pm

s@int wrote:We seem to have got bottom dollar for our sales and we are being forced to pay top dollar for our buys.....when we arn't being humilliated by grubby little clubs and their managers.

Not sure I agree with that bit

Riise : cost £4.6m, sold for £4m after a fair few years. Not bad for a defender that can't defend and has only ever briefly shown good enough form

Crouch : Cost £7m, sold for £11m. For a striker with a 1 in 3 scoring rate, was becoming a benchwarmer and was never worth £15m, a £4m profit is pretty useful. I think spudz were stupid selling Defoe for so little

Guthrie : cost nothing, sold for £2.5m. Was never going to make it at Anfield, tidy bit of business

Carson : cost £750k, sold for £3.25m. I think the £10m price tag clouds a lot of people's judgement, he's young but has made mistakes which may or may not go away. A £2.5m profit, not including loan fees, is a tidy one for a keeper.

We got a decent wedge for Sissoko in January, my concern is not our selling but who we are chasing and how much we're looking at paying (or have in the case of Keane) We could do with offloading Pennant, then I think the squad won't have too much dead weight other than maybe the D & D signings and some will invariably say Voronin. Certainly we'll have optimised our sales without selling off good players, selling Alonso might raise money but only to be wasted

by **puroresu** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:07 pm

Walkalone wrote:
puroresu wrote:
ruskiy playmaker wrote:Inter just bought Muntari, so I don't think they'll be going after Alonso.

But if a player of alonso's quality is going cheap then why not.

Regardless of what player wants, Fener agreed with LFC for 12 million pounds. Don't believe that LFC would sell Xabi to Inter for less than that. It does not make sense. I wouldn't worry about Inter's offer. I would worry about what Xabi would want. If he says, I won't go to FB, I will go to Inter, then that's a different story.

£12 mil Alonso is still cheap. We should not be making a loss on a player like Alonso!!

by **HacksawJimDuggin** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:21 pm

Owzat wrote:
s@int wrote:We seem to have got bottom dollar for our sales and we are being forced to pay top dollar for our buys.....when we arn't being humilliated by grubby little clubs and their managers.

Not sure I agree with that bit

Riise : cost £4.6m, sold for £4m after a fair few years. Not bad for a defender that can't defend and has only ever briefly shown good enough form

Crouch : Cost £7m, sold for £11m. For a striker with a 1 in 3 scoring rate, was becoming a benchwarmer and was never worth £15m, a £4m profit is pretty useful. I think spudz were stupid selling Defoe for so little

Guthrie : cost nothing, sold for £2.5m. Was never going to make it at Anfield, tidy bit of business

Carson : cost £750k, sold for £3.25m. I think the £10m price tag clouds a lot of people's judgement, he's young but has made mistakes which may or may not go away. A £2.5m profit, not including loan fees, is a tidy one for a keeper.

We got a decent wedge for Sissoko in January, my concern is not our selling but who we are chasing and how much we're looking at paying (or have in the case of Keane) We could do with offloading Pennant, then I think the squad won't have too much dead weight other than maybe the D & D signings and some will invariably say Voronin. Certainly we'll have optimised our sales without selling off good players, selling Alonso might raise money but only to be wasted

Good post Owzat

Whereas I am all for us going out and signing the likes of Keane and Barry (now that it looks like Xabi is going) I don't want to see our 1st team squad reduced in size greatly. I hear rumours that Yossi and Pennant might be sold to make us some £££ for us to sign a new player(s). If this other signing is Bsrry then we'd be selling 3 x 1st team squad players (Xabi, Yossi and Pennant) and gaining one.

I dont disagree with this if Rafa's plan is to take the likes of Nemeth, Pachecho in the 1st team squad regularly but I fear that we might be a little light should be pick up a few injuries and suspensions.

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:56 pm

Owzat wrote:
s@int wrote:We seem to have got bottom dollar for our sales and we are being forced to pay top dollar for our buys.....when we arn't being humilliated by grubby little clubs and their managers.

Not sure I agree with that bit

Riise : cost £4.6m, sold for £4m after a fair few years. Not bad for a defender that can't defend and has only ever briefly shown good enough form

Crouch : Cost £7m, sold for £11m. For a striker with a 1 in 3 scoring rate, was becoming a benchwarmer and was never worth £15m, a £4m profit is pretty useful. I think spudz were stupid selling Defoe for so little

Guthrie : cost nothing, sold for £2.5m. Was never going to make it at Anfield, tidy bit of business

Carson : cost £750k, sold for £3.25m. I think the £10m price tag clouds a lot of people's judgement, he's young but has made mistakes which may or may not go away. A £2.5m profit, not including loan fees, is a tidy one for a keeper.

We got a decent wedge for Sissoko in January, my concern is not our selling but who we are chasing and how much we're looking at paying (or have in the case of Keane) We could do with offloading Pennant, then I think the squad won't have too much dead weight other than maybe the D & D signings and some will invariably say Voronin. Certainly we'll have optimised our sales without selling off good players, selling Alonso might raise money but only to be wasted

Riise is a good versatile player, who had a couple of below par seasons mainly because he was played at fullback when he has had his best spells with us at LM. His value was probably about £6-8million because of his versatility.

Decent full backs go for about £6 -10million, Decent Left mids for a little bit more. £4MILLION was right at the bottom of the range. FFS we got £2 million for Traore 2 years ago and prices have gone through the roof since then. We paid £7million for Dossena don't forget. Pantsil went from West Ham to Fulham for £6.3million ffs.

We were asking £8million for Carson who has played for England......we got about £3.5million. While we paid £3.5million for a virtual unknown in Cavelieri.

Crouch England international we were asking for £15million, we got about £10million. Probably the only deal where due to circumstances we got round about the going rate.

As for Sissoko he was worth way more than we got for him, last summer his value was about £12-14million and in 3 months it went down to £8.5million?

My concern is not what we paid and how much we sold but whether we got anywhere near their value when we sold and in my opinon we didn't.

We bought Torres for £20million would it be a good deal to sell him for £30million even though he is worth far more? No, you judge a deal at what they are WORTH not just because its more than was paid for them.

The point is if you optimise the amount you get from the surplus players, you don't then have to start selling other players who still could make a decent contribution to the club.

I have no problem with us selling off surplus players but I would like us to get something like their value, as we seem to be paying or willing to pay well over the odds when it comes to our purchases.

If we were flush with money with a decent size transfer fund I would be quite happy to clear out the surplus at bargain prices while paying over the top for the players that Rafa wants. The problem is we haven't got a war chest...... we don't seem to even have a piggy bank.

Our approach to this seasons transfers has helped the clubs we have been dealing with, not our club. They have known we are struggling for funds and so they could afford to sit back and wait for us to drop our prices,while we desperately search for funds to make our purchases.

by **Rush Job** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:56 pm

puroresu wrote:
Walkalone wrote:
puroresu wrote:
ruskiy playmaker wrote:Inter just bought Muntari, so I don't think they'll be going after Alonso.

But if a player of alonso's quality is going cheap then why not.

Regardless of what player wants, Fener agreed with LFC for 12 million pounds. Don't believe that LFC would sell Xabi to Inter for less than that. It does not make sense. I wouldn't worry about Inter's offer. I would worry about what Xabi would want. If he says, I won't go to FB, I will go to Inter, then that's a different story.

£12 mil Alonso is still cheap. We should not be making a loss on a player like Alonso!!

How much did we pay for him? I thought it was about 10.5

by **account deleted by request** » Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:07 am

Rush Job wrote:
puroresu wrote:
Walkalone wrote:
puroresu wrote:
ruskiy playmaker wrote:Inter just bought Muntari, so I don't think they'll be going after Alonso.

But if a player of alonso's quality is going cheap then why not.

Regardless of what player wants, Fener agreed with LFC for 12 million pounds. Don't believe that LFC would sell Xabi to Inter for less than that. It does not make sense. I wouldn't worry about Inter's offer. I would worry about what Xabi would want. If he says, I won't go to FB, I will go to Inter, then that's a different story.

£12 mil Alonso is still cheap. We should not be making a loss on a player like Alonso!!

How much did we pay for him? I thought it was about 10.5

According to Sabre, with addons which I presume we have now paid it was about £14.5million + 20% of any profit we make when we sell him (doesn't seem much likelyhood of that being a problem now anyway)

by **Reg** » Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:09 am

Walkalone wrote:
Reg wrote:
Walkalone wrote:However, we hear that he would like to stay at LFC.

No one at the top of his game would go to Turkey, fullfcukingstop.

The lad was 99% transfered to Juventus and if he is to go, then he should go to Italy where he could continue to flourish.

Only Kewell goes to Turkey, because he´s finished and they´re too fcuking soft to realise.

Anelka, Guiza, Aragones, Appiah, Alex, Lugano

That's all you need.

All finished or in Anelka's case mentally unstable.

by **Walkalone** » Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:38 am

Reg wrote:
Walkalone wrote:
Reg wrote:
Walkalone wrote:However, we hear that he would like to stay at LFC.

No one at the top of his game would go to Turkey, fullfcukingstop.

The lad was 99% transfered to Juventus and if he is to go, then he should go to Italy where he could continue to flourish.

Only Kewell goes to Turkey, because he´s finished and they´re too fcuking soft to realise.

Anelka, Guiza, Aragones, Appiah, Alex, Lugano

That's all you need.

All finished or in Anelka's case mentally unstable.

by **bigmick** » Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:04 am

s@int wrote:
Rush Job wrote:
puroresu wrote:
Walkalone wrote:
puroresu wrote:
ruskiy playmaker wrote:Inter just bought Muntari, so I don't think they'll be going after Alonso.

But if a player of alonso's quality is going cheap then why not.

Regardless of what player wants, Fener agreed with LFC for 12 million pounds. Don't believe that LFC would sell Xabi to Inter for less than that. It does not make sense. I wouldn't worry about Inter's offer. I would worry about what Xabi would want. If he says, I won't go to FB, I will go to Inter, then that's a different story.

£12 mil Alonso is still cheap. We should not be making a loss on a player like Alonso!!

How much did we pay for him? I thought it was about 10.5

According to Sabre, with addons which I presume we have now paid it was about £14.5million + 20% of any profit we make when we sell him (doesn't seem much likelyhood of that being a problem now anyway)

Yes the much vaunted stampede hasn't quite materialised unfortunately, it's probably fair to say.

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