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by **account deleted by request** » Wed May 21, 2008 3:46 pm

Ciggy wrote:We paid 10 for him and had to give RS another 2 million after ex amount of appearences so if we sell him for 12 million, we havent made any profit

How many players can you name where we sold, and then you thought FKN HELL I never expected us to get so much for him?

I can only think of Colleymore (I think that may be why Villa hold a grudge

) and we even lost money on that deal. Still a cracking deal in hindsight though

Two of the best strikers in England ,Fowler and Owen £20million the pair. Value the year before Fowler was sold was probably £50million the pair.

by **stmichael** » Wed May 21, 2008 3:47 pm

s@int wrote:How many players can you name where we sold, and then you thought FKN HELL I never expected us to get so much for him?

djimi traore. £2m was a f#cking steal :laugh:

by **flamingpoe** » Wed May 21, 2008 3:52 pm

if he goes for 12m it will take the utter :censored:

, i am sick to death of tweedledee and tweedledum cough up the cash or sell the club to dic so we can buy buy buy and not have 2 skin flint our way into the top 4 by the skin of our teeth, if juve get him for 12m they have made practically a profit on hmmm let me think not even f***ing playing him!!
barry would be a good signing but nowhere near as good as alonso, granted the big teams have adjusted to him , but played with barry......that likes playing under pressure, will cause problems for any team, cause alonso F***s up barry will make up for it......also it would probs work the other way around, but he should be going nowhere if he does.........im gonna start hating those :censored:

americans.........btw
you american tw**s we aint bothered about the stadium........we would rather have the premiership! , not a new :censored:

stadium
buy some players and say :censored:

to the stadium until the we have a team.......that regualrly wins things........granted we do, but like 1 mayb 2 cups a season
as i could so aptly put it, no one is interested in the wrapper its the chocolate underneath that everyone wants

by **Ciggy** » Wed May 21, 2008 4:02 pm

If Rafa met with Juve's CEO yesterday for 4 hours this basicly means he is thinking of selling him doesnt it

Or he has no choice as in he has to sell Alonso to buy David Villa.

by **flamingpoe** » Wed May 21, 2008 4:09 pm

ciggy i wouldn't mind if it was the fact that he is trying to get all the funds for david villa.......but that simply isn't the case..........and also if he was trying to get money together so that he can get david villa, i think he would sell him for more than f***ing 12mil......more like 15-16mil not 12!

by **stmichael** » Wed May 21, 2008 4:13 pm

Bamaga man wrote:If Rafa sticks with this formation (4-2-3-1) then I can see a position available for Alonso. Even though he form has been poor for a long time now, there is always hope that he'll regain it. Though I've been one of his biggest critics and IMO rightly justified I'd be content with him staying even if we sign Barry. As Rafa loves to say Barry will give us "options", of course he can play LB, CM and possibly LW which I think is the position Rafa would deploy Barry in. If Alonso struggles with injuries and form etc then Barry can come in and sit next to Mascha.

If Rafa reverts back to the old 4-4-2 then I wouldnt see the need to keep Xabi and would think about selling around the 15 million mark or more. For me Alonso wont be able to hold down his place in a flat four midfield regardless of whether we sign Barry or not. Gerrard and Mascha in the center with possibly Barry or even Lucas (who hast impressed me either) will give us options still.

Even if Rafa stuck Gerrard out wide, Mascha and Alonso through the center are way to defensive and as we've seen with this before we lack creativity and and flair through the middle. With a flat four pushed on higher up the field its paramount for me you need someone he can burst through the middle snd join the attack, neither Alonso or Mascha do this well enough.

Which is why I have no problem with them teaming up together further back in a 4-2-3-1 formation. This formation for me allows us to get the best out of our better players ala Mascha, Alonso, Gerrard and Torres. That central quartet isnt the problem though its the wide areas that are, I cant see Barry offering Ronaldoesk opions out wide but he does have a good engine, can whip in a cross or two and has a decent shot, while maintaining a good level of defensive duties too. Exactly the kind of player Rafa likes.

In saying that though, who could guarentee Rafa to stick with one formation throughout the course of a season, it will be like rotations in formations instead, and the players wont no whetehr their coming or going if hes gonna chop and change personel and formations around like a mad man.

Good post.

Since his first season, where he was magnificent, he's found it more difficult to 'boss' games as teams have closed him down much quicker. When paired with Masch, the two of them prefer to sit deeper and that means we have no 'thrust' from midfield. When Lucas is paired with Masch, he's far more willing to get up to the edge of the box, ghost into the box, run past the defence. In comparison, Alonso prefers to sit deep and spray the ball about whilst Masch, as the more mobile of the two, provides more of the attacking 'thrust' from the midfield.

by **account deleted by request** » Wed May 21, 2008 4:15 pm

Alonso is also one of the top earners at the club - £4million per year. Maybe its that as much as anything else thats pushing the deal?

Seems strange that Sissoko and Alonso signed long term deals only last season, and its looking more and more like they are both going to be playing for Juventus next year.

by **Ciggy** » Wed May 21, 2008 4:24 pm

s@int wrote:Alonso is also one of the top earners at the club - £4million per year. Maybe its that as much as anything else thats pushing the deal?

I was thinking that aswell Saint, and now that feckin waster Kewell has left thats 75 grand a week in wages will be better spent elsewhere.

by **Sabre** » Wed May 21, 2008 4:28 pm

s@int wrote:Alonso is also one of the top earners at the club - £4million per year. Maybe its that as much as anything else thats pushing the deal?

Maybe it's just me, but if that was the case, Rafa didn't need to sign 5 years of contract more last summer, because Alonso had 2 years remaining or more, and if he wanted to get 14M and getting rid of a high wage, he could have done so last summer.

No?

by **JC_81** » Wed May 21, 2008 4:35 pm

Really don't understand all the doom and gloom and scare-mongering over this proposed Alonso sale.

How does it mean we will have top sell top players in the future and that we are becoming a 'selling club'?

Why assume that it might be just to get him off the wage bill?

For one I don't actually regard him as one of our top players anymore and for two if Rafa was entirely happy with him he wouldn't sell him, not even if it was to raise funds.

by **Sabre** » Wed May 21, 2008 4:48 pm

john craig wrote:Really don't understand all the doom and gloom and scare-mongering over this proposed Alonso sale.

How does it mean we will have top sell top players in the future and that we are becoming a 'selling club'?

Why assume that it might be just to get him off the wage bill?

For one I don't actually regard him as one of our top players anymore and for two if Rafa was entirely happy with him he wouldn't sell him, not even if it was to raise funds.

Perhaps you don't understand the gloom and doom, and you don't consider him a big loss, but normally in football, higher wages are earnt by the better players within a team. Last season he was mentioned as a key player by Rafa, and the wages are according to that.

So naturally, there are still lots of fans that might like Mascherano more and everything, but still consider the lad considerably better than simply "good" and accordingly expect a fair price for him.

by **account deleted by request** » Wed May 21, 2008 4:52 pm

Sabre wrote:
s@int wrote:Alonso is also one of the top earners at the club - £4million per year. Maybe its that as much as anything else thats pushing the deal?

Maybe it's just me, but if that was the case, Rafa didn't need to sign 5 years of contract more last summer, because Alonso had 2 years remaining or more, and if he wanted to get 14M and getting rid of a high wage, he could have done so last summer.

No?

I think last summer Rafa still thought our two owners had money and was just waiting to buy snoopy doog

by **JC_81** » Wed May 21, 2008 4:55 pm

Sabre wrote:
john craig wrote:Really don't understand all the doom and gloom and scare-mongering over this proposed Alonso sale.

How does it mean we will have top sell top players in the future and that we are becoming a 'selling club'?

Why assume that it might be just to get him off the wage bill?

For one I don't actually regard him as one of our top players anymore and for two if Rafa was entirely happy with him he wouldn't sell him, not even if it was to raise funds.

Perhaps you don't understand the gloom and doom, and you don't consider him a big loss, but normally in football, higher wages are earnt by the better players within a team. Last season he was mentioned as a key player by Rafa, and the wages are according to that.

So naturally, there are still lots of fans that might like Mascherano more and everything, but still consider the lad considerably better than simply "good" and accordingly expect a fair price for him.

Well, if you read my post on the previous page Sabre, you'll see that I agree that 12 million is not a good price for Alonso.

To be honest Sabre, you're probably not the best person to be giving an unbiased and honest assessment of Alonso's true quality and value. It's obvious that because of your allegiance to Real Sociedad that you will rate Alonso higher than most of us.

by **Emerald Red** » Wed May 21, 2008 4:56 pm

You know, I think I may either need glasses, or I'm slightly dyslexic. I keep thinking the title of this thread reads "Alonso says he is starving".

by **Sabre** » Wed May 21, 2008 4:58 pm

Don't get me wrong, I don't feel like discussing about Alonso's quality here. My point is that if we sell him for Liverpool's greater good, then so be it, I won't quit my life

. It will be a pity, but the greater good is more important.

What it really SCARES me mates, is that I don't see a good progression for the team selling the likes of Alonso for 12M and buying the likes of Barry for 10. With that swap, we're 2 M richer (no big deal), and we'd have a gamble in the midfield yet to be proven. That's what worries me síck.

To be honest Sabre, you're probably not the best person to be giving an unbiased and honest assessment of Alonso's true quality and value. It's obvious that because of your allegiance to Real Sociedad that you will rate Alonso higher than most of us.

Biased maybe I am, but honest? I'm always honest with you. I'm only a liar with my boss at work

But well, no problemo, it's always the same. If I agree, it's ok. If I disagree I'm biased.

Maybe that's why sometimes I'm tempted to see Alonso away :glare:

Maybe I'll be able to discuss about the players and even be cheeky enough to disagree (!!!!!) without hearing the same old, same old.

Ok. Fair enough. Discussion over here.

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