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Top · by **JoeTerp** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:43 pm

Dazzer wrote:
JoeTerp wrote:
Dazzer wrote:Well I think the lines have be a hazed to what I mean when I say capitalism.Many defending it and why not its what you grown up with and live your life by.But my point about it is In a capitalistic world you get reward for working hard right ? Not really It depends on what country you are from and what class you seen as , If your parents did well before you or IF you are very tallented.My point is We say in general we love capitalism because it rewards hard work any one can get rich if they put the effort in but sadly this is only true for the westen world (mostly) in Dev countrys This is where the wheels fall off.Also look at even the westen world now the gap between the super rich and the super poor is still growing.End of day if you like me have a good life its easy to dismiss what its like at other end of the food chain but remeber as that gap between the super rich and super poor grows in the end we will be ones who who get the sharpe end of stick when we our out numbered 10,000 to 1.So it can't work long term because the rich get richer and the poor get poorer it has a breaking point but when will that happen god only knows.

you are not saying that people in developing countries live capitalistic societies are you? That would be very wrong.

Capitalism is the only way for people in those poorer countries to improve their quality of life.

When people trade freely, both sides benefit.

Sorry man I don't believe that when someone makes money someone else is always exploited its how it works to think otherwise is to deluded your self imo.

what are you talking about. When someone makes money in a true capitalistic society, they earned that money by providing a service that is valued by someone else. There is no exploiting unless force is involved, and force is not a part of capitalism.

Top · by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:44 pm

Dazzer wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:they have only got 300,000 members - 300,000 Daz not 5 million and only 700 in the Uk . Its a freaky dream of weirdo . Maybe concentrate on the Real world . The world would fall apart in his eyes - it wouldnt function in anyway shape or form and will never ever happen .

Right ok last word 300,000 members on the forum is not total people who follow the movement like the total users on liverpool forums isn't how many fans we have get it ?

I didnt get those firgures from a forum i got them from the offical site of this movement and it states thats how many members they have in the movement .

Top · by **JoeTerp** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:52 pm

who cares how many people are in or not in a movement, that speaks nothing to the credibility of its beliefs

Top · by **Reg** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:32 pm

Dazzer wrote:
JoeTerp wrote:
Dazzer wrote:Well I think the lines have be a hazed to what I mean when I say capitalism.Many defending it and why not its what you grown up with and live your life by.But my point about it is In a capitalistic world you get reward for working hard right ? Not really It depends on what country you are from and what class you seen as , If your parents did well before you or IF you are very tallented.My point is We say in general we love capitalism because it rewards hard work any one can get rich if they put the effort in but sadly this is only true for the westen world (mostly) in Dev countrys This is where the wheels fall off.Also look at even the westen world now the gap between the super rich and the super poor is still growing.End of day if you like me have a good life its easy to dismiss what its like at other end of the food chain but remeber as that gap between the super rich and super poor grows in the end we will be ones who who get the sharpe end of stick when we our out numbered 10,000 to 1.So it can't work long term because the rich get richer and the poor get poorer it has a breaking point but when will that happen god only knows.

you are not saying that people in developing countries live capitalistic societies are you? That would be very wrong.

Capitalism is the only way for people in those poorer countries to improve their quality of life.

When people trade freely, both sides benefit.

Sorry man I don't believe that when someone makes money someone else is always exploited its how it works to think otherwise is to deluded your self imo.

Thats a VERY simplistic view dazzer, are you Welsh?

A farmer produces wheat, sells it to a merchant who sells it to a miller who makes bread and sells it to a grocery store. Joe Dazzer buys it and scoffs it.

In the meantime, the seed seller, fertilizer man, the farm workers, trading staff, truck drivers, shipping line, port workers, milling staff, shop staff and the maker of your strawberry jam have all contributed to your sandwich and made money to cover their own cost of living. The circulation of cash and multiplier effect.

Now talk me through it, who´s been exploited there?

I miss Lando sometimes I must admit.

Top · by **Dazzer** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:28 am

Reg wrote:
Dazzer wrote:
JoeTerp wrote:
Dazzer wrote:Well I think the lines have be a hazed to what I mean when I say capitalism.Many defending it and why not its what you grown up with and live your life by.But my point about it is In a capitalistic world you get reward for working hard right ? Not really It depends on what country you are from and what class you seen as , If your parents did well before you or IF you are very tallented.My point is We say in general we love capitalism because it rewards hard work any one can get rich if they put the effort in but sadly this is only true for the westen world (mostly) in Dev countrys This is where the wheels fall off.Also look at even the westen world now the gap between the super rich and the super poor is still growing.End of day if you like me have a good life its easy to dismiss what its like at other end of the food chain but remeber as that gap between the super rich and super poor grows in the end we will be ones who who get the sharpe end of stick when we our out numbered 10,000 to 1.So it can't work long term because the rich get richer and the poor get poorer it has a breaking point but when will that happen god only knows.

you are not saying that people in developing countries live capitalistic societies are you? That would be very wrong.

Capitalism is the only way for people in those poorer countries to improve their quality of life.

When people trade freely, both sides benefit.

Sorry man I don't believe that when someone makes money someone else is always exploited its how it works to think otherwise is to deluded your self imo.

Thats a VERY simplistic view dazzer, are you Welsh?

A farmer produces wheat, sells it to a merchant who sells it to a miller who makes bread and sells it to a grocery store. Joe Dazzer buys it and scoffs it.

In the meantime, the seed seller, fertilizer man, the farm workers, trading staff, truck drivers, shipping line, port workers, milling staff, shop staff and the maker of your strawberry jam have all contributed to your sandwich and made money to cover their own cost of living. The circulation of cash and multiplier effect.

Now talk me through it, who´s been exploited there?

I miss Lando sometimes I must admit.

You should watch this film reg its an eye opener.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1038043/

Mammoth

One review of it.

Captivating critique of the global condition, 25 April 2009
8/10
Author: mzojala from Helsinki, Finland

Mammoth is an ambitious, highly contemplative take on the implications of global capitalism for individuals, families and communities. Moodysson illustrates a world in which market economy as the Western way of life both encourages and obliges human action that, irrespective of one's intentions, reproduces unequal social relations and reinforces existing power structures.

One could criticize Moodysson of presenting only conservative, private solutions for the social problems caused by globalization. The protagonists do not try to face their social circumstance head on or to find political ways for addressing their situation. In stead of seeking social change through collective action, family becomes of central importance. Only some vague escapist dreams are left for the disillusioned workers at both ends of the global working class.

Despite the film's fatalism, Moodysson succeeds beautifully in constructing a convincing and authentic interpretation of the 21st century social reality of global interconnectedness. The tragedy of highly educated Western professionals that Mammoth portrays lies in the fact that they are conscious of the disastrous social and ecological consequences of their actions, yet find themselves completely unable to transform the social condition.

Please don't speak to me like a child I have seen the effects of this first hand I don't live in a bubble.

Also to make profit is to exploit in its most simple terms. IE the trade is not fair one you gain more for what you have given.So yes my statement is true in capitalism thier is always someone who comes of worse think about it will you.

This is why there is such a thing called debt because at the end of the chain when all the top dogs have made profit thier is someone who can't offord to buy the end result with real money.Really I thought you would have understood this but no you just keep the insults comming.

Top · by **made in UK** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:58 am

capitalism

"Man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite"

Top · by **Reg** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:03 am

Thanks Daz but I base my views on something a bit more solid that Hollywood films mate.

Top · by **woof woof !** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:26 am

made in UK wrote:"Man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite"

, what ? d'yer mean "man exploits Man"

Top · by **Big Niall** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:13 pm

Reg wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:History is fascinating. I love the subject. My grandad, who fought in the second world war, told a few stories. He was also racist. He wasnt the only one. Many of the veterans I met when I worked in Laceby fought in the second world war, and a majority of them were racist.

Most europenas were racist even 40 years ago, my dad worked in the fruit market in Queens Square and the jokes and comments he came back with would be unrepeatable today. Times change and along with them attitudes but its not always fair to judge yesterdays people by todays standards.

so many old people are racist. My dad is in his late 70s and I'd be around anyone black,asian, jewish,muslim etc if he was with me.

The panoramma programme last week however showed that even young people (10 year old) kids in working class areas give Asians a really hard time. It was a real eye opener (for me anyway) , the Asian undercover reporters usually live in middle class England and have no trouble.

Apparantly there is a massive difference between middle class and working class england.

Top · by **tubby** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:50 pm

Did anyone see that c4 programme 'how racist are you?' It was on earlier this week.

Top · by **Dazzer** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:08 am

Reg wrote:Thanks Daz but I base my views on something a bit more solid that Hollywood films mate.

One agian you read half my post Its ok tho its a marker to explain to me how thick you are.You clearly going through life only taking on info you agree with in end you just turn in a John McCain type Idealist.Its almost like your Teachers and Parents taught you every thing in the wrong way as a joke.

The film is about the effects of capitalism a true reflection of what is happening in the real world not down your street.But if you read the bottom of my post you would see why your idea's are wrong and I did explain it in simple terms for you.

Top · by **7_Kewell** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:15 am

Dazzer wrote:
Reg wrote:Thanks Daz but I base my views on something a bit more solid that Hollywood films mate.

One agian you read half my post Its ok tho its a marker to explain to me how thick you are.You clearly going through life only taking on info you agree with in end you just turn in a John McCain type Idealist.Its almost like your Teachers and Parents taught you every thing in the wrong way as a joke.

The film is about the effects of capitalism a true reflection of what is happening in the real world not down your street.But if you read the bottom of my post you would see why your idea's are wrong and I did explain it in simple terms for you.

boy, you're one tedious Biff...

Top · by **Dazzer** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:10 am

7_Kewell wrote:
Dazzer wrote:
Reg wrote:Thanks Daz but I base my views on something a bit more solid that Hollywood films mate.

One agian you read half my post Its ok tho its a marker to explain to me how thick you are.You clearly going through life only taking on info you agree with in end you just turn in a John McCain type Idealist.Its almost like your Teachers and Parents taught you every thing in the wrong way as a joke.

The film is about the effects of capitalism a true reflection of what is happening in the real world not down your street.But if you read the bottom of my post you would see why your idea's are wrong and I did explain it in simple terms for you.

boy, you're one tedious Biff...

You seem to follow me round like a bad smell.New post button stalkers best friend it seems.

Top · by **7_Kewell** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:06 pm

Dazzer wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
Dazzer wrote:
Reg wrote:Thanks Daz but I base my views on something a bit more solid that Hollywood films mate.

One agian you read half my post Its ok tho its a marker to explain to me how thick you are.You clearly going through life only taking on info you agree with in end you just turn in a John McCain type Idealist.Its almost like your Teachers and Parents taught you every thing in the wrong way as a joke.

The film is about the effects of capitalism a true reflection of what is happening in the real world not down your street.But if you read the bottom of my post you would see why your idea's are wrong and I did explain it in simple terms for you.

boy, you're one tedious Biff...

You seem to follow me round like a bad smell.New post button stalkers best friend it seems.

I STARTED THIS THREAD :laugh:

But you've filled it with your usual attention seeking sh!te

Top · by **SouthCoastShankly** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:46 pm

Dazzer wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
Dazzer wrote:
Reg wrote:Thanks Daz but I base my views on something a bit more solid that Hollywood films mate.

One agian you read half my post Its ok tho its a marker to explain to me how thick you are.You clearly going through life only taking on info you agree with in end you just turn in a John McCain type Idealist.Its almost like your Teachers and Parents taught you every thing in the wrong way as a joke.

The film is about the effects of capitalism a true reflection of what is happening in the real world not down your street.But if you read the bottom of my post you would see why your idea's are wrong and I did explain it in simple terms for you.

boy, you're one tedious Biff...

You seem to follow me round like a bad smell.New post button stalkers best friend it seems.

Seriously I'm starting to think the combination of his bizarre posts, retard behaviour and an avatar of a retarded film character - you must be a wind up merchant.

You even advocate ex-Man Utd players as the future Liverpool manager, not to mention the arse licking of Wenger and Mourinho.

This moron is not a Liverpool fan.

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