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by **account deleted by request** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:55 am

Emerald Red wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:I do agree that it carries less prestige nowadays, mainly because the level of competitiveness in the league and UCL has intensified. For the top four sides that's left it as a platform for the kids up until maybe the semi-final stages, and for most PL sides outside that group it remains a realistic target. It does, though, have a fair bit of history to it where we're concerned and it's a chance for a big day out at Wembley so it shouldn't dismissed as if it's the equivalent of the charity shield.

Don't you play at Wembley in the semi's now? It just shows how much of a joke it is when you play at the big stage twice. I thought getting to wembley was what it was all about for a one off day?

Think thats the fa cup mate?

by **Rush Job** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:58 am

I think more of us could well be botherd come may.

by **LFC2007** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:05 am

That is the FA cup mate. Man U/Arsenal/Chelsea/Everton played their semis there last season and Cardiff/Pompey/Barnsley/WBA the year before.

In the league cup there's two legs in the semis played home and away.

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:12 am

s@int wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:I do agree that it carries less prestige nowadays, mainly because the level of competitiveness in the league and UCL has intensified. For the top four sides that's left it as a platform for the kids up until maybe the semi-final stages, and for most PL sides outside that group it remains a realistic target. It does, though, have a fair bit of history to it where we're concerned and it's a chance for a big day out at Wembley so it shouldn't dismissed as if it's the equivalent of the charity shield.

Don't you play at Wembley in the semi's now? It just shows how much of a joke it is when you play at the big stage twice. I thought getting to wembley was what it was all about for a one off day?

Think thats the fa cup mate?

Aye, wasn't sure tbh. I lose interest in it once we get knocked out...which is often.

by **Madmax** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:29 am

Would have been good had to progressed and won this trophy but i guess we just have to move on. Another chance of winning something gone. A realistic target maybe is the FA cup if we crack in the premiership,champions leauge!

by **Effes** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:32 am

I don't like the way it's almost acceptable to not aspire to getting to particular finals.

by **Effes** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:39 am

Emerald Red wrote:Years ago this competition held more importance. Not so today. Times change. Am I bothered? 10 years ago, maybe, but not today. Let's be honest, who ever remembers the winners of this in the past couple of seasons? I barely remembered us getting to the final of it a few years ago and losing to a SG OG against Chelsea.

Without sounding "elitist" or descriminatory - but that post smacks of someone who just doesn't "get it"

The fans deserve a day out at Wembley, irrespective of the so-called "prestige" of the competition.

It's not a question of remebering who won a cup years ago.

One of my best days/nights was the 2001 Carling Cup final - me and my mates still talk about that legendary weekend today.

by **bigmick** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:40 am

As I said earlier, if we were three points clear at the top of the league and looking like good things to win it, and/or certainties to get out of the group in the Champions League, I'd be totally unconcerned about it. If we were clear in the league, I'd actually be just about advocating playing Dossena.

As it is though, although opinions vary as to how much we are actually IN the league it's fair to say that at the very least from here we've got quite a lot to do. We're 12/1 with the bookies, so you wouldn't be putting your house on it. Similarly in the Champions League (where I must confess I actually think we'll go through) we are one bad result away from elimiation.

Given the fact we haven't won anything for three seasons, and given where we are it's easy to see why some fans look at the Carling Cup and wouldn't mind winning it. That's where I am, I'd have taken it all day long as a trophy won.

by **Kharhaz** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:42 am

Im not overly fussed about going out of this competition. We have a good record in it yes, but a majority of those victory meant we could afford to field full strength teams as the big competitions (European Cup or UEFA Cup) were of a knock out format. Now it is a group stage then knock out (Champions League) or group upon group of the other farcical competition (UEFA Cup or whatever its called now). We got unlucky with the draw, surprise surprise, away to Arsenal, a lot of us knew unless we fielded a full strength team, which was very unlikely, we would be knocked out. We did pretty well considering, the let downs being the higher paid players. If at the end of a season, with the money we have spent, we are celebrating a Carling Cup as the reward for a long season, I would feel pretty disillusioned. Rafa was right with his selection, there are more important games coming up.

by **Dazzer** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:43 am

I am bothered really in a season we are yet to fire on all guns I think even tho its seen a lesser torny/cup I think we should have maybe at least played better defence tonight.I thought if we was bit tighter we could have won 1-0 i didn't think arsenal was as good as some of the media was making out.Yeah they passed well and done some nice 1-2s and stuff but for me didn't look that scary.They lacked some real strenght in midfield and if we had 1 or 2 first teamers in the mix early on it could have turned out alot different imo.But any ways not end of world just sort of thing you think at end of season what if ? if we end up not doing so great.

by **bigmick** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:01 am

One thing the game did do which was no great surprise was demonstrate quite graphically that Arsenal "reserves" are better than ours. They made 11 changes from the league game at the weekend, and my guess is that none of the eleven which played would get into their strongest team with the possible exception of Bendtner. We had Kuyt who certainly would get into ours, Insua and Skrtel who are borderline, Benayoun and Aquilani who came on as subs would also.

Most of the quality in the younger players came from them, with Wilshire in particular looking a very good player. I aslo liked the left back Gibbs, the Spanish lad who scored their first goal and the young fella who made his debut in midfield. To be totally honest I thought we did quite well to run them as close as we did given the overall play, particularly as in central midfield in particular, we totally outgunned.

On the plus side for us, I thought Deggen did well, also Kuyt. Aquilani as sub looked good obviously, and I didn't think N'Gog looked overly bad either.

by **Kharhaz** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:12 am

bigmick wrote:One thing the game did do which was no great surprise was demonstrate quite graphically that Arsenal "reserves" are better than ours. They made 11 changes from the league game at the weekend, and my guess is that none of the eleven which played would get into their strongest team with the possible exception of Bendtner. We had Kuyt who certainly would get into ours, Insua and Skrtel who are borderline, Benayoun and Aquilani who came on as subs would also.

Most of the quality in the younger players came from them, with Wilshire in particular looking a very good player. I aslo liked the left back Gibbs, the Spanish lad who scored their first goal and the young fella who made his debut in midfield. To be totally honest I thought we did quite well to run them as close as we did given the overall play, particularly as in central midfield in particular, we totally outgunned.

On the plus side for us, I thought Deggen did well, also Kuyt. Aquilani as sub looked good obviously, and I didn't think N'Gog looked overly bad either.

As well as a better set up. The youth coaches at arsenal do an excellent job of getting the best out of the players available to them. Its always down to Wenger to sign the talent but its the coaches who work with them and Arsenal obviously have a great set up on the training grounds. Perhaps that is where we should be looking. To sign the best coaches to get the best out of what we have.

by **sgs** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:27 am

bigmick wrote:One thing the game did do which was no great surprise was demonstrate quite graphically that Arsenal "reserves" are better than ours. They made 11 changes from the league game at the weekend, and my guess is that none of the eleven which played would get into their strongest team with the possible exception of Bendtner. We had Kuyt who certainly would get into ours, Insua and Skrtel who are borderline, Benayoun and Aquilani who came on as subs would also.

Most of the quality in the younger players came from them, with Wilshire in particular looking a very good player. I aslo liked the left back Gibbs, the Spanish lad who scored their first goal and the young fella who made his debut in midfield. To be totally honest I thought we did quite well to run them as close as we did given the overall play, particularly as in central midfield in particular, we totally outgunned.

On the plus side for us, I thought Deggen did well, also Kuyt. Aquilani as sub looked good obviously, and I didn't think N'Gog looked overly bad either.

Wilshire? Did he play today?

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:39 am

bigmick wrote:One thing the game did do which was no great surprise was demonstrate quite graphically that Arsenal "reserves" are better than ours. They made 11 changes from the league game at the weekend, and my guess is that none of the eleven which played would get into their strongest team with the possible exception of Bendtner. We had Kuyt who certainly would get into ours, Insua and Skrtel who are borderline, Benayoun and Aquilani who came on as subs would also.

Most of the quality in the younger players came from them, with Wilshire in particular looking a very good player. I aslo liked the left back Gibbs, the Spanish lad who scored their first goal and the young fella who made his debut in midfield. To be totally honest I thought we did quite well to run them as close as we did given the overall play, particularly as in central midfield in particular, we totally outgunned.

On the plus side for us, I thought Deggen did well, also Kuyt. Aquilani as sub looked good obviously, and I didn't think N'Gog looked overly bad either.

I think you mean Aaron Ramsey, Mick as Wilshire didn't play

I thought Ramsey looked good and made a lot of space for himself (helped by our defence )

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:51 am

mick

wilshere didnt play -it was ramsey

Lets be honest here, when seeing the sides at the start who expected us to have a chance ?

Mick i counter kuyt and babel playimng with eduardo and nasri.
Also there keeper played the league game we drew 4-4 at anfield at the end of last season with the centre halves being Senderos and Sylvestre - hardly inexperienced.

I thought we played well, and were very unlucky not to get somethin out of the game.

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