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by **Madmax** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:29 pm

How the feck am i supposed to know why they opened a mosque on the anniversary of 9/11? Really should'nt have done that especially what happened after 9/11 with all the attacks.
All this is about victimisation now and its becomming a joke. Neither side is innocent and both have brutes who are the centre of the trouble. This country allows freedom of speech but at times some people do take it too far. Talking about both sides here.
If something does happen it will be the innocent that will suffer.

The media is full of shyte and always create a story to suit publicity. They usually never get anything out of it which always results in chaos amongst people.

I have moslems mates aswel as others because im from a mixed race so in these situations problems always could occur. Muslim mates in london been stating physical attacks on them have been occuring after their night prayers. Street thugs causing trouble. Its going to get worse and sooner rather than later something big is going to kickoff!

by **Madmax** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:31 pm

Number 9 wrote:
Madmax wrote:Yeah it was silly for the fellas who threw stuff on the police but end of the day if there was no protest then all of this wouldn't have happend. If a certain group done a protest against a church or temple i bet you would expect a similar response!
Media usually twist things around and never really tell both sides of the story. I bet many of the fascists cause shyte in these protests yet nothing gets mentioned.

You bet wrong son...what the do you expect when a few million Muslims rebel?

I'll give you a clue...you have Britain and you have a shower of telling us we should support them...sorry and do one!!
Fuc'k off!!

Why don't you feck off... Im supporting the genuine people not people who cause trouble.. genuine by means law abiding people of britain not extremists.

by **dawson99** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:35 pm

we all have muslem friends... cant live in north london and not have friends from all races... btu when you see what happened yesterday.. they kept cutting to the same 5 white 'protestors' then the 50-100 muslem anti protestors.. yet everyone blames the protestors.. its farcical...and everyone can see it, just no one can say it

by **Number 9** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:42 pm

Madmax wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
Madmax wrote:Yeah it was silly for the fellas who threw stuff on the police but end of the day if there was no protest then all of this wouldn't have happend. If a certain group done a protest against a church or temple i bet you would expect a similar response!
Media usually twist things around and never really tell both sides of the story. I bet many of the fascists cause shyte in these protests yet nothing gets mentioned.

You bet wrong son...what the do you expect when a few million Muslims rebel?

I'll give you a clue...you have Britain and you have a shower of telling us we should support them...sorry and do one!!
Fuc'k off!!

Why don't you feck off... Im supporting the genuine people not people who cause trouble.. genuine by means law abiding people of britain not extremists.

Ok

by **Madmax** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:32 pm

Agree mate its all a load of shyte.. I didn't know about the 16 idiots that attacked the police so ignore what i said before. Thats just not on!!!
Really dont like this shyte and like you said the media are just playing games. But tbh when things like this do occur genuine people usually do point the finger on both sides. Aint been watching much of the media but from the clips i saw it was a joke.
I heard a different story tbh but let just hope things don't escalate.

by **LFC2007** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:48 pm

I haven't a problem with people protesting peacefully, but the timing of this one was clearly designed to stir the shit. They could have selected a more appropriate date, but using the anniversary of 9/11 enabled them to maximise publicity for their cause. It's important to remember that this group is affiliated with other far-right organisations that have stirred the shit in a big way in other areas of the country; inflicting criminal damage to asian businesses and mosques. They want to force Muslim's out and that's why they resort to incendiary tactics, and tactics that attract the media spotlight - as in this case.

Those who responded with violence in turn are completely out of order - it's not on and the Mosque leaders have accepted that, however, the public should expect tempers to fray when groups who despise a faith confront the followers of that faith.

by **dawson99** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:56 pm

LFC2007 wrote:I haven't a problem with people protesting peacefully, but the timing of this one was clearly designed to stir the shit. They could have selected a more appropriate date, but using the anniversary of 9/11 enabled them to maximise publicity for their cause. It's important to remember that this group is affiliated with other far-right organisations that have stirred the shit in a big way in other areas of the country; inflicting criminal damage to asian businesses and mosques. They want to force Muslim's out and that's why they resort to incendiary tactics, and tactics that attract the media spotlight - as in this case.

Those who responded with violence in turn are completely out of order - it's not on and the Mosque leaders have accepted that, however, the public should expect tempers to fray when groups who despise a faith confront the followers of that faith.

u do know that the people running the mosque chose this day as its opening as well? oh u didnt?

well then, get off the high chir and join the rest of us dude

by **LFC2007** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:36 pm

dawson99 wrote:u do know that the people running the mosque chose this day as its opening as well? oh u didnt?

well then, get off the high chir and join the rest of us dude

My understanding - from what I've read - is this:

"Protesters from the Stop Islamisation of Europe (SIOE) group were involved in a demonstration outside a mosque in Harrow, north east London, to mark the anniversary of the September 11 attacks."

- PA

In any case, their tactics are clear enough. If you think the general response - one of anger - from sections of the Muslim community and anti-fascist groups was without just cause, perhaps you ought to consider what it is that aroused such a backlash in the first place.

You're a Christian. If a group of 16 men turned up at your place of worship campaigning for an end to your religion in Britain, I suspect you'd have something to say about it.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:09 pm

It just irritated me how they emphasised that it was the "White Working Class" prevoking the muslims. Presumably it would have been OK if it had been the "White Middle or Upper Class".

by **LFC2007** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:16 am

I think John Denham came out and said something about targeting "mainly white working class" communities to try and help undermine the influence of far-right groups. I'm not so sure what the idea is specifically, suffice to say it's a fact that a significant proportion of hardcore BNP supporters - to name one far-right group - are actually middle class folk. It is perhaps accurate though to say that of all the social groupings, on the whole, the white working class males are more likely to support far-right groups.

by **Number 9** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:26 am

LFC2007 wrote:I haven't a problem with people protesting peacefully, but the timing of this one was clearly designed to stir the shit. They could have selected a more appropriate date, but using the anniversary of 9/11 enabled them to maximise publicity for their cause. It's important to remember that this group is affiliated with other far-right organisations that have stirred the shit in a big way in other areas of the country; inflicting criminal damage to asian businesses and mosques. They want to force Muslim's out and that's why they resort to incendiary tactics, and tactics that attract the media spotlight - as in this case.

Those who responded with violence in turn are completely out of order - it's not on and the Mosque leaders have accepted that, however, the public should expect tempers to fray when groups who despise a faith confront the followers of that faith.

Perhaps Mosque leaders could distance themselves from the trouble and stop telling young folk that its cool to cut the heads off us...Perhaps Mohamed was full lof :censored:

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I love everyone but when the heads at risk it goes without saying mate!

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 5:35 am

LFC2007 wrote:I haven't a problem with people protesting peacefully, but the timing of this one was clearly designed to stir the shit. They could have selected a more appropriate date, but using the anniversary of 9/11 enabled them to maximise publicity for their cause. It's important to remember that this group is affiliated with other far-right organisations that have stirred the shit in a big way in other areas of the country; inflicting criminal damage to asian businesses and mosques. They want to force Muslim's out and that's why they resort to incendiary tactics, and tactics that attract the media spotlight - as in this case.

Those who responded with violence in turn are completely out of order - it's not on and the Mosque leaders have accepted that, however, the public should expect tempers to fray when groups who despise a faith confront the followers of that faith.

Surely if the Mosque was opened on the anniversary of 9/11 the "Fascists" had every right to protest the same day? Surely opening a Mosque on that date is essentially the Muslim leaders pulling their c*cks out and waving them in the face of the victims?

If we have to put up with this kind of sh*t from Johnny Foreigner, Johnny Foreigner has to put up with it from Johnny English.

Otherwise, they're just a set of whining faggots.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 5:37 am

LFC2007 wrote:
dawson99 wrote:u do know that the people running the mosque chose this day as its opening as well? oh u didnt?

well then, get off the high chir and join the rest of us dude

My understanding - from what I've read - is this:

"Protesters from the Stop Islamisation of Europe (SIOE) group were involved in a demonstration outside a mosque in Harrow, north east London, to mark the anniversary of the September 11 attacks."

- PA

In any case, their tactics are clear enough. If you think the general response - one of anger - from sections of the Muslim community and anti-fascist groups was without just cause, perhaps you ought to consider what it is that aroused such a backlash in the first place.

You're a Christian. If a group of 16 men turned up at your place of worship campaigning for an end to your religion in Britain, I suspect you'd have something to say about it.

Out of curiosity, how many raging Christians have killed innocent Muslims recently?

by **andy_g** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:43 am

just to answer lando's last question, i would say that in recent years the number of innocent muslims killed by christians outweighs by a considerable amount the number of innocent christians killed by muslims.

by **dawson99** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:53 am

andy_g wrote:just to answer lando's last question, i would say that in recent years the number of innocent muslims killed by christians outweighs by a considerable amount the number of innocent christians killed by muslims.

id say...bollox is it?

its sh!te living in england at the moment... the extreme muslims are far more dangerous than the extreme right wing... its getting bad.. and people cant say anything or esle they will be branded racist.. its not racist, its fact, it has to stop before civil war erupts...

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