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by **oreilly** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:07 pm

Maybe putting transfer fee concerns ahead of footballing concerns in the midst of a title challenge is still incredibly poor policy?

Spot on

by **GYBS** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:08 pm

Well Kuyt and arbeloa have both proved on numerous occasions that yes they are good enough - lucas still got time on his side to develop - penannt had the baility just never put it on the pitch . Im pretty sure most of the players if not all realise what winning the league means - dont have to be a local lad to understand that

by **dawson99** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:09 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
dawson99 wrote:
oreilly wrote:
The thing is we had keane and was in the team plenty of times and 80% of that time he didnt deliver . He was nowhere near a quality replacement for Torres.

And Ngog is ? Ngog could only dream of becoming half the player Keane is...... Keane is quality, he needs a manager who trusts him and plays to his strengths........Our game is built around Torres.....I find it amazing to think how our master tactician couldn't get the most out of Robbie Keane, who over the last few years consistently produced.

Even if Benitez didnt want Keane, he bit his noise off despite his face. And WE all paid the price.

maybe he sodl him so we wouldnt pay the price, as if we sold him in the summer we would have had to pay spurs the full amount and wouldnt have got half of it back

Maybe putting transfer fee concerns ahead of footballing concerns in the midst of a title challenge is still incredibly poor policy?

IF you are Chelsea or Manu i agree, but with the credit climate a difference of 10 mill for a player who wasnt in Rafas thoughts cant be ignored.

and Keane was not a 8/10 player for us... simple as.
It hurts but the financial stability had to be looked at.
and I still think Rafa has an ace up his sleeve for transfers that he needed the 10 mill for as he could not get anywhere else... so he had no choice... add to that wages and hes saved the club 13 million maybe?

by **GYBS** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:10 pm

oreilly wrote:
maybe he sodl him so we wouldnt pay the price, as if we sold him in the summer we would have had to pay spurs the full amount and wouldnt have got half of it back

Keane is a 8 out of 10 player. Maybe not a Torres or Gerrard. He certaintly deserved to be given a chance and people should have played to his strength, Rafa's arrogance and stubborn attitude towards forbidding any player to play with their natural flair as opposed to his maths of football is ruining liverpools rep worldwide, no neutral likes to watch us!

when did he ever play 8 out of 10 for us ? certainly wasnt enough times.

And yeah Bob can understand its not the best policy but maybe they wanted to save a bit of bit money to get a real top quality striker or player in during the summer and now they can with the money saved with keane

by **Bad Bob** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:12 pm

dawson99 wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
dawson99 wrote:
oreilly wrote:
The thing is we had keane and was in the team plenty of times and 80% of that time he didnt deliver . He was nowhere near a quality replacement for Torres.

And Ngog is ? Ngog could only dream of becoming half the player Keane is...... Keane is quality, he needs a manager who trusts him and plays to his strengths........Our game is built around Torres.....I find it amazing to think how our master tactician couldn't get the most out of Robbie Keane, who over the last few years consistently produced.

Even if Benitez didnt want Keane, he bit his noise off despite his face. And WE all paid the price.

maybe he sodl him so we wouldnt pay the price, as if we sold him in the summer we would have had to pay spurs the full amount and wouldnt have got half of it back

Maybe putting transfer fee concerns ahead of footballing concerns in the midst of a title challenge is still incredibly poor policy?

IF you are Chelsea or Manu i agree, but with the credit climate a difference of 10 mill for a player who wasnt in Rafas thoughts cant be ignored.

and Keane was not a 8/10 player for us... simple as.
It hurts but the financial stability had to be looked at.
and I still think Rafa has an ace up his sleeve for transfers that he needed the 10 mill for as he could not get anywhere else... so he had no choice... add to that wages and hes saved the club 13 million maybe?

Sorry, mate, but I just can't see selling Keane as anything but a bad move given the timing of it. We can speculate all we like about the money saved, what Rafa has in mind for the next transfer window etc. but, to me, it's indisputable that selling Keane when we did, given the squad we have, was just a terrible football decision.

by **oreilly** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:13 pm

Im a fan at the end of the day Dawson so I hope he does have a ace up his sleeve. I want Rafa to do well for us.......Ill have a go at him from time to time with fellow fans only.

Re: Arbeloa and Kuyt- Not really the type of player who should be playing for a club of our stature. A fair wack was paid for Dirk , regarding Arbeloa---- bit of a fairy......

by **LegBarnes** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:19 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
dawson99 wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
dawson99 wrote:
oreilly wrote:
The thing is we had keane and was in the team plenty of times and 80% of that time he didnt deliver . He was nowhere near a quality replacement for Torres.

And Ngog is ? Ngog could only dream of becoming half the player Keane is...... Keane is quality, he needs a manager who trusts him and plays to his strengths........Our game is built around Torres.....I find it amazing to think how our master tactician couldn't get the most out of Robbie Keane, who over the last few years consistently produced.

Even if Benitez didnt want Keane, he bit his noise off despite his face. And WE all paid the price.

maybe he sodl him so we wouldnt pay the price, as if we sold him in the summer we would have had to pay spurs the full amount and wouldnt have got half of it back

Maybe putting transfer fee concerns ahead of footballing concerns in the midst of a title challenge is still incredibly poor policy?

IF you are Chelsea or Manu i agree, but with the credit climate a difference of 10 mill for a player who wasnt in Rafas thoughts cant be ignored.

and Keane was not a 8/10 player for us... simple as.
It hurts but the financial stability had to be looked at.
and I still think Rafa has an ace up his sleeve for transfers that he needed the 10 mill for as he could not get anywhere else... so he had no choice... add to that wages and hes saved the club 13 million maybe?

Sorry, mate, but I just can't see selling Keane as anything but a bad move given the timing of it. We can speculate all we like about the money saved, what Rafa has in mind for the next transfer window etc. but, to me, it's indisputable that selling Keane when we did, given the squad we have, was just a terrible football decision.

I agree rafa should have made that work with keane for the club for the fans not let his ego get in the way of being a good manager and this is problem with rafa he lets his pride spoil his management of our club and that at this level is not on EVER !

by **GYBS** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:21 pm

Not really the type of player that should be playing for a club of our stature ? do you mean hardworking and gives a 100% every single time he goes on the field ?! thats exactly the type of player we need and the type of player liverpool have always had - someone to do all the dirty work . In fact if we had a bit more of his attitude we maybe doing better .

And arbeloa is a fairy ?!?! so nothing to do with his ability or anything then ?

by **LegBarnes** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:22 pm

GYBS wrote:Not really the type of player that should be playing for a club of our stature ? do you mean hardworking and gives a 100% every single time he goes on the field ?! thats exactly the type of player we need and the type of player liverpool have always had - someone to do all the dirty work . In fact if we had a bit more of his attitude we maybe doing better .

And arbeloa is a fairy ?!?! so nothing to do with his ability or anything then ?

I like arba I think he isn't bad for his age few years times and few 100 more good meals and he be a great right back.

Kuyt nothing wrong with him....

by **oreilly** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:29 pm

Pay me 50 k a week and ill run 12 miles a day etcccccc. Yes we need hardworking players but we need class too. We have too many indians and not nearly enough chiefs.......

I cant argue that these players are not honest. But don't you need a bit more than honesty to win a title over 38 games??? You need that bit of extra class.......
If we didnt have as many street fighters( in a good way) and had more specials players we could break down boring stoke, hull , fulham , and beat boro etc.......

Im not knocking honesty in a player........
Arbeloa is a grand player and maybe we could get away with a few of them in our team. Just like utd get away with o shea, fletcher, etc

by **dawson99** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:33 pm

I think losing finann was a bigger mistake than losing Keane to be honest. That's where the lack of depth has really left us wanting.

by **GYBS** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:33 pm

Unfortunately the extra bit of class comes with an extra bit of money required. No matter what people think of Kuyt he has constantly proved how important he is to the team .

by **Rockthekop** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:05 pm

Spot on analysis of Rafa and Liverpool

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WtDoU3TlM4

by **Owzat** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:24 pm

GYBS wrote:Unfortunately the extra bit of class comes with an extra bit of money required. No matter what people think of Kuyt he has constantly proved how important he is to the team .

In his goals alone he is one of our three biggest contributors, if only Riera, Alonso and Mascherano would chip in with some more goals.

Kuyt Goals 08/09

1 vs Standard Liege (h) - into extra time Kuyt scores the winner, otherwise we might not be facing Real Madrid in the last sixteen

1 vs PSV (h) - opened the scoring in a fairly standard win over ordinary European opposition who are struggling in Holland

1 vs Man City (a) - the 90th minute winner in a 3-2 thriller, anyone wondering why he is rarely taken off should consider his late goals

2 vs Wigan (h) - we won 3-2, I think his goals may have made a slight difference! (scored first equaliser and winner)

1 vs Tottenham (a) - scored the opening goal early on before they scored twice into the last quarter of the game and we lost.

1 vs Bolton (a) - opened the scoring before the half hour in a 2-0 win

1 vs Portsmouth (a) - scored the second equaliser, Torres netting the winner

1 vs Man City (h) - scored the equaliser to salvage our unbeaten home record even if it wasn't enough in terms of our title challenge

Even despite some crucial goals he'll get stick as if he never contributes anything. The above doesn't include assists of course, he's got a few of those as well including one that forced Gerrard to belt one in from the edge of the box (Marseille?) and setting up Babel for the winner against the mancs.

Some are jumping on the Benayoun replacing Kuyt bandwagon, they can both score goals so maybe they both need to be accomodated if at all possible. Maybe that might mean Benayoun playing LM and cutting inside, or Kuyt LM.

by **LegBarnes** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:27 pm

Rockthekop wrote:Spot on analysis of Rafa and Liverpool

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WtDoU3TlM4

yep spot on basicly what I been saying and getting :censored:

for and told 98% of what I say is nonesense.

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