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NANNY RED wrote:Oh me heads cabbaged here i really dont know what to believe anymore.

Saint is it only Babcombe with that exclusive again an wheres he getting his exclusives from. Because as i said in another thread im dead sure hes banned from Melwood, ALL this shenanigans is making me old before me time. This player said this an this one sid that, it makes you wanna not pick up a paper anymore for fear of what your gonna read next.

This carry on at the club could send anyone to the bottle.

Do you know what though im finding it hard latley to believe anythink that in the papers. Last week Rafawas a cert to go according to them ,cleared his desk out an all, an who off but Parry. Now this from Kuyt me heads wrecked with it all

I am waiting to hear the words from Kuys mouth before i read anything more into this tbh , i cant handle it no more

In fairness Nan, like you I'm a bit sceptical about the quotes. The defence councils case so far I don't go a bundle on    but the quotes themselves just don't seem believeable to me.

They're unbelieveable for a couple of reasons. Firstly and formostly, unlike the impression you'd be forgiven for getting on here, if true this is a scandal. Secondly, Kuyt must have known that if quoted as saying this, he would put Rafa in a very difficult corner. Were Kuyt not in the team or at odds with the manager, there would be motivation, but that isn't the case.

If the quote aren't right, then obviously theres' no problem. If they are, there isn't a carpet big enough to sweep it under IMHO.

john craig wrote:Has anyone considered that Benitez allegedly telling players not to sign new contracts is because he is putting the players first and not himself??

There is nothing more hypocritical than the manager who persuades a player to sign for a new club, or sign a new contract at a current club, only to fu.ck off himself in the near future, when the player may be partly signing the contract because of the manager they're going to be working for.  Harry Redknapp screwing over Crouch among others is a prime example. 

Benitez obviously knew, or perhaps even still knows, that there is more than a decent chance of him not being here next season.  How can he therefore possibly sit around the table with a player over contract negotiations?

Not a thing wrong with his advice imo (if it's true).  Players deserve to know what they're getting themselves in for when they sign a new contract.

Nah you are wrong hes doing it cause he wants Kuyt cheaper if he goes,its a smoking gun John!Hes a gangster that Rafa one!
Would sell ya down the river,steal the eye out of yer head and come back for the lashes!
Disgrace of a man!

john craig wrote:Has anyone considered that Benitez allegedly telling players not to sign new contracts is because he is putting the players first and not himself??

There is nothing more hypocritical than the manager who persuades a player to sign for a new club, or sign a new contract at a current club, only to fu.ck off himself in the near future, when the player may be partly signing the contract because of the manager they're going to be working for.  Harry Redknapp screwing over Crouch among others is a prime example. 

Benitez obviously knew, or perhaps even still knows, that there is more than a decent chance of him not being here next season.  How can he therefore possibly sit around the table with a player over contract negotiations?

Not a thing wrong with his advice imo (if it's true).  Players deserve to know what they're getting themselves in for when they sign a new contract.

Number 9 wrote:

john craig wrote:Has anyone considered that Benitez allegedly telling players not to sign new contracts is because he is putting the players first and not himself??

There is nothing more hypocritical than the manager who persuades a player to sign for a new club, or sign a new contract at a current club, only to fu.ck off himself in the near future, when the player may be partly signing the contract because of the manager they're going to be working for.  Harry Redknapp screwing over Crouch among others is a prime example. 

Benitez obviously knew, or perhaps even still knows, that there is more than a decent chance of him not being here next season.  How can he therefore possibly sit around the table with a player over contract negotiations?

Not a thing wrong with his advice imo (if it's true).  Players deserve to know what they're getting themselves in for when they sign a new contract.

Nah you are wrong hes doing it cause he wants Kuyt cheaper if he goes,its a smoking gun John!Hes a gangster that Rafa one!
Would sell ya down the river,steal the eye out of yer head and come back for the lashes!
Disgrace of a man!

Sabre wrote:Ok Ace, that was a good answer, if you tell me a club, that is in the position to pay us not few, but good millions for Kuyt, around what he costed us, then you have convinced me.

But I don't see that Ace'.

So it looks like telling a player not to sign a new contract until the the manager has sorted his own one out is fine then, and perfectly normal practice. All around the country it's going on every day, players approaching managers as they come towards the end of their deals and the manager is saying "feck off, until my deal gets sorted none of you's c...s is getting feck all." Reg was right all along, who gives a t0ss   

My idea that possibly Rafa was keeping in mind a future transfer situation was abolutely fecking ridiculous. The thruth of the matter is, that Rafa was actually thinking about the club all along, and didn't want any potential new manager to be burdened with Kuyt, just in case he didn't want him. He felt the best way to maximise Kuyt's future sell on potential if the new manager didn't want him was to have him on a shorter deal. As Rafa has spoken to Kuyt and the Dutchman has indicated that he wants to stay, there is zero point zero potential percentage chance that he'll speak to another club in two months about a pre contract deal.

Yes, true, but if he has a long contract, the chances of him speaking with a new club are -25.50 (note the minus). And the new manager would possibly have what you call deadwood. And that's bad for the club.

Ask Peewee, he's usually right. Peewee, do you think it's a good idea to give Kuyt a 4 year contract now?

Peewee knows that one Mick. 

Effes wrote:Ive come home a bit bevvied, but Im a bit confused.

What about if we sign Kuyt up for 4 more years; and no one wants to sign him?
(Very likely)

Does that mean we're stuck with him for 5 more years?
Maybe Rafa thinks he's sh!te as well?

Sorry, just thought on; he'd make a great right back.

According to Rafa he turned down £15million for Kuyt this season. 

Effes wrote:Ive come home a bit bevvied, but Im a bit confused.

What about if we sign Kuyt up for 4 more years; and no one wants to sign him?
(Very likely)

Does that mean we're stuck with him for 5 more years?
Maybe Rafa thinks he's sh!te as well?

Sorry, just thought on; he'd make a great right back.

he would an all... 

but i dont think 'its very likely' that we'd struggle to find him a club if we wanted to sell him..wouldnt think so..

s@int wrote:

Effes wrote:Ive come home a bit bevvied, but Im a bit confused.

What about if we sign Kuyt up for 4 more years; and no one wants to sign him?
(Very likely)

Does that mean we're stuck with him for 5 more years?
Maybe Rafa thinks he's sh!te as well?

Sorry, just thought on; he'd make a great right back.

According to Rafa he turned down £15million for Kuyt this season. 

No, he didn't. Parry did!     

s@int wrote:

john craig wrote:Has anyone considered that Benitez allegedly telling players not to sign new contracts is because he is putting the players first and not himself??

There is nothing more hypocritical than the manager who persuades a player to sign for a new club, or sign a new contract at a current club, only to fu.ck off himself in the near future, when the player may be partly signing the contract because of the manager they're going to be working for.  Harry Redknapp screwing over Crouch among others is a prime example. 

Benitez obviously knew, or perhaps even still knows, that there is more than a decent chance of him not being here next season.  How can he therefore possibly sit around the table with a player over contract negotiations?

Not a thing wrong with his advice imo (if it's true).  Players deserve to know what they're getting themselves in for when they sign a new contract.

Rafa's job is to represent Liverpool football club, the players have agents to represent them. There is no conflict of interest ...... or there shouldn't be. The managers job is to get the best possible value out of the players, its the players agent who looks after the players interests.

s@int wrote:Or maybe Rafa should offer Hyypia a 10 year contract because thats in the players best interests? 

Fu.ck me s@int, the way we're defending these days (Madrid game apart), it might be in the team's best interests