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by **LegBarnes** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:15 am

GYBS wrote:and what is your basis for that then ? rafa played the team everyone wanted him too tonight . he went attacking just like everyone wanted him too tonight .

No one is unhappy with the team he put out ffs we have said this 10 times now.

Its the way he changed it late game that really put his own team under pressure instead of keeping the shape and attack nature we had that was pinning blue nose in there own half.

by **tubby** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:16 am

I think we should just concentrate of the CL if we lose at OT in a few weeks. It is after all the only comp we seem to be able to do well in. Nice try Rafa but you are not cut out for the league over here.

by **GYBS** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:16 am

bavlondon wrote:
GYBS wrote:and what is your basis for that then ? rafa played the team everyone wanted him too tonight . he went attacking just like everyone wanted him too tonight .

It;s not enough mate. The players were not focused, the passing was shabby at times. For gods sake what motivation do you need

1) go top of the table
2) beat your local rivals

We should have pasted them but we didn't because the players probably cannot focus given what is going on with Rafa, Agger and all the other mixed in.

is that the players fault of the managers fault then ? rafa seems to be getting all the blame for it and im sorry but the players should be professional enough to concentrate on the game and they dont need extra motivation for the derby

by **alanricouk** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:17 am

GYBS wrote:and what is your basis for that then ? rafa played the team everyone wanted him too tonight . he went attacking just like everyone wanted him too tonight .

I didn't. We don't have the players for a 4-4-2

by **tubby** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:17 am

It's the players fault for obviously not focusing and playing well as on paper of course they should be beating them but Rafa has to take blame for potentially upsetting the mindset of the squad with his rant, not to mention his subs.

by **NANNY RED** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:19 am

The day i stop believing in my team is the day i throw the towel in . An start going the park to watch Sunday football. That was the right team Benitez put out tonight, But from what i saw there was little comitment from to many players. I was one who thought Keane should of come off, he was one of those players who showed little commitment, He showed nothing while he was on the pitch.

Rafa baffels me an all sometimes with subs especialy the Lucas one, But lets be honest it didnt matter who we subbed we were doing nothing.

I still believe we are in with a shout, an as i said the day i stop believing is the day i pack it in

by **Kharhaz** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:19 am

bavlondon wrote:Our position due to points and our performances are 2 different things. Utd have not been playing well but they are still getting the wins. We were doing that at the start of the season and everyone said wait till we start playing well. When exactly that will happen I dont know but sometime soon would have been good. Oh wait we have our manager on a weekly rant. How on earth can the players focus with our manager the talk of every back page of every paper. Im sorry but we will NOT win the league this year I promise you. Im all for believing but its hard to move forward when something is holding you back. That something is Rafa and if he carries on he will have to go.

The timing of a new contract is totally wrong. And the way rafa has gone about this is wrong, he isnt putting anybody first but himself. As for tonight, rafa cannot be blamed. I was happy with the team he picked, that was a strong line up. If the players are letting what rafa has said to the press as an excuse for the poor performance then the argument against the players stands, its there fault TOTALLY. Football wise, rafa did what was asked, picked a good line up. Knock his substitutions but in all fairness when the team are clearly not playing well and not long left on the clock would you make changes to force the team to attack? or would you acknowledge they are not on form and accept the 1 goal difference and try to keep it?

We havent played well in many games but we are in a good position, and sooner or later we will click and the results will come in. Take the game coming up at old trafford, if we win that one, the whole attitude changes again. Its a downer tonight yes, but not be all and all.

by **GYBS** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:19 am

alanricouk wrote:
GYBS wrote:and what is your basis for that then ? rafa played the team everyone wanted him too tonight . he went attacking just like everyone wanted him too tonight .

I didn't. We don't have the players for a 4-4-2

well pretty much 95% of this forum have been cryin out for 442 mate . myself personally i want the 4-2-3-1 formation .

by **metalhead** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:20 am

alanricouk wrote:
GYBS wrote:and what is your basis for that then ? rafa played the team everyone wanted him too tonight . he went attacking just like everyone wanted him too tonight .

I didn't. We don't have the players for a 4-4-2

Oh jeez, whats wrong with people these days, last week people said we dont have players for 4-5-1, today we have people saying 4-4-2 wont work because we dont have players for that

:no

by **Sabre** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:20 am

Sometimes when we talk about a football match, we talk about the tactics, about the substitutions, and often we rate the players depending the result. The heroes are more heroes, and the villains more villains.

But in a derby, little of these things count. It's all about passion. And I watched a great derby today. Not very good football, but that's not what you can expect in a derby. So it didn't matter that Moyes was doing a valiant approach at Anfield, because in a derby, at any momment Gerrard can appear with a touch of genius to destroy all your work. It didn't matter Rafa picked the best eleven (or almost) and the subs he made, because at the end a decission of your player and a poor defended set pieces destroys all your plan.

A derby is a derby.

Regardless the result, for me today there were two heroes, Gerrard, and Reina. Gerrard, it's obvious why. About the saves of Reina in the early minutes of the match, the difficulty of those saves are only reachable for the likes of Reina or Casillas. Very very difficult saves.

Alonso did a good match for a derby, I feared for his foot in a couple of challenges, and for his head, but those were signs he was with the necessary attitude for a Derby.

Very angry how we conceded that goal. We defended that set pieces badly. Skrtel was at fault I think and Reina was angry the ball went just through the gap he left after correcting the 2 man wall. We shouldn't have conceded that foul there, there are times where it's best to hold position and wait for help and not to tackle and this one of those, I have to admit though that it was difficult to stop their black player (I don't know the name sorry), he was powerful, but I think that was an avoidable situation.

Torres game? a bit rusty in general. In the clear chance he had, though, that was a difficult one. He injected the pace, he was faster than the ball, and he "ate" the ball a bit due that pace and eventually only had the chance to try to score from where he did. No luck.

I must give credit to Everton because they played the derby well. I liked that Pienaar or something they have. I didn't know him.

Dissapointed by the result and how we conceded, but I trust in this guys despite the 8 draws at home.

COME ON REDS!

by **tubby** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:20 am

NANNY RED wrote:The day i stop believing in my team is the day i throw the towel in . An start going the park to watch Sunday football. That was the right team Benitez put out tonight, But from what i saw there was little comitment from to many players. I was one who thought Keane should of come off, he was one of those players who showed little commitment, He showed nothing while he was on the pitch.

Rafa baffels me an all sometimes with subs especialy the Lucas one, But lets be honest it didnt matter who we subbed we were doing nothing.

I still believe we are in with a shout, an as i said the day i stop believing is the day i pack it in

Honest question Nanny, why do you think so many of our players seemed uninterested? They must have had other things on their mind. I mean ffs if you have the chance to go top of the table I would have thought you would be up for it.

by **Dundalk** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:22 am

Sabre wrote:Sometimes when we talk about a football match, we talk about the tactics, about the substitutions, and often we rate the players depending the result. The heroes are more heroes, and the villains more villains.

But in a derby, little of these things count. It's all about passion. And I watched a great derby today. Not very good football, but that's not what you can expect in a derby. So it didn't matter that Moyes was doing a valiant approach at Anfield, because in a derby, at any momment Gerrard can appear with a touch of genius to destroy all your work. It didn't matter Rafa picked the best eleven (or almost) and the subs he made, because at the end a decission of your player and a poor defended set pieces destroys all your plan.

A derby is a derby.

Regardless the result, for me today there were two heroes, Gerrard, and Reina. Gerrard, it's obvious why. About the saves of Reina in the early minutes of the match, the difficulty of those saves are only reachable for the likes of Reina or Casillas. Very very difficult saves.

Alonso did a good match for a derby, I feared for his foot in a couple of challenges, and for his head, but those were signs he was with the necessary attitude for a Derby.

Very angry how we conceded that goal. We defended that set pieces badly. Skrtel was at fault I think and Reina was angry the ball went just through the gap he left after correcting the 2 man wall. We shouldn't have conceded that foul there, there are times where it's best to hold position and wait for help and not to tackle and this one of those, I have to admit though that it was difficult to stop their black player (I don't know the name sorry), he was powerful, but I think that was an avoidable situation.

Torres game? a bit rusty in general. In the clear chance he had, though, that was a difficult one. He injected the pace, he was faster than the ball, and he "ate" the ball a bit due that pace and eventually only had the chance to try to score from where he did. No luck.

I must give credit to Everton because they played the derby well. I liked that Pienaar or something they have. I didn't know him.

Dissapointed by the result and how we conceded, but I trust in this guys despite the 8 draws at home.

COME ON REDS!

Good post Sabre

by **Raffmaker** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:22 am

It's just the way we play....It's garbage. Formation line-up or whatever. We always make it so hard for ourselves. There is obvious when you watch LFC play, a distinct lack of world class quality. I mean all over the park. Not just Gerrard and Torres. SO what we gonna do about it??

So frustrating to watch. Everton had more chances than us 1st half.

Don't expect great things from Robbie Keane, he aint that Kinda player and wasn't at spurs.

i don't know what the solution is..120m kaka?, Robinho, Messi, Robben, Henry, etc. maybe then we talk about winning the league. I dont know.

by **tubby** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:22 am

Oh yeah and Skrtl was :censored:

. I cant see why people bang on about him. Oh look you got marty angry. oooh arrrr what the :censored:

he cant defend for :censored:

sometimes.

by **GYBS** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:23 am

very good post sabre

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