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bigmick wrote:

Leonmc0708 wrote:

bigmick wrote:Well it's a poor Premiership this season that's the first thing. I think that is bourne out by the fact that everyone is beating each other, all the top teams are dropping points left right and centre so the margins between the various "divisions within divisions" is much smaller.

I dont understand your argument Michael.

A poor Premiership is one where teams can beat each other ?

Exactomundo Leon. If you get a horse race and they all finish in a heap, you can be fairly sure that none of 'ems gonna win the derby. If there's not a lot between all the teams, there are two possible reasons.

Either, ALL the teams have improved, or the better teams have come back to the pack a bit. My feeling is it's the latter. As I said on another thread, if the Arsenal invincible team of four seasons ago was in it, or Chelsea's Mourinho back to back Premiership winners were in it, or a Manc team of a better vintage, it'd be all over by now such has been the mistakes the top three have made.

Just to repeat what I also said over there, it makes absolutely no difference to the Premiership champions how good a vintage the league was that year. It makes no difference whatsoever if you win it with 74 points or 87. If you win it, you win it, simple as that and the achievement is no less.

*As a footnote, it wouldn't take a fantastically good team to roll over the English clubs in Europe this season IMHO. If Barcelona are half the team they were two or three seasons ago they'd be plenty good enough I should think.

Leonmc0708 wrote:I will take you up on that, a little charity bet.

You pick a charity, and I pick the HJC.

£20 says that English clubs make up at least 3 out of the last 8 in the Champions LEague.

Even before any draw.

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Back on topic, I think the overall quality of sides in the English league has improved, look at Hull for instance, no doubt helped by the level of football they played last year against big big teams in the Championship.

I would rather have an open league than one where only Reangers and Celtic are any cop.

Leon I've got a much better idea. You PM me the details of the HJC and I'll give them a donation. You are offering me a bet that three English clubs will reach the last EIGHT,  when I've been saying for over a year now that the Champions League is easy for the English clubs and that three English teams will reach the last FOUR. No worries though, I'll do the donation it's cool.

As for the exciting league bit, I totally agree. This is the most exciting and unpredictable Premiership ever and it's healthy for the game. I'm only saying that the league lacks a couple of absolute top quality teams, which IMHO compared to previous seasons it does.

Igor Zidane wrote:

bigmick wrote:

SupitsJonF wrote:

bigmick wrote:Well it's a poor Premiership this season that's the first thing. I think that is bourne out by the fact that everyone is beating each other, all the top teams are dropping points left right and centre so the margins between the various "divisions within divisions" is much smaller.

How is this poor though?  I always found leagues with no free games and unexpected results (for any team) was always more fun than a predictable league.  As a result your team might hurt a bit in the process, but its better then the same old free wins for everyone that plays a team below <insert table position here>

Sorry mate I don't mean "poor" in terms of lack of excitement, it's the most unpredictable and exciting Premiership ever in all probability. No I mean "poor" in terms of quality. There's normally a couple of really outstanding teams in there, and so far there hasn't been.

Can I also just point out here and now that it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever if you win it, whether it was poor or exceptional, if you win it you are the Champions and everyone else can go feck themselves. Same as the final points total, matters not a sh!te as long as you win it.

This self imposed sabbatical is sh!te , i just can't read some of this stuff without commenting .

Mick if it doesn't matter how in god's name we win the league ,just as long as we are there at the end of the season . How in gods name does it matter that we are in the position we are in now .

It seems to me that there are a hell of alot of people with chrystal balls on here of late .

1) We are here by luck ,so we won't win the league any way .

2) The standard of the league is poor , that's why were top . Not that there's a possibilty that the so called also rans just might be catching up .

3) It's not good enough that we're top , we should be top with an 8 point gap . It's not good enough ffs.

4) We shouldn't worry about other teams dropping points we should worry about ourselves , No no , we should worry about the others , because it's only a matter of time before they click into gear and catch us.

5) Keanes, sh!te and needs selling ASAP , no he's not he's our saviour and would have scored a hatrick against hull .

6) Rafa's a clueless clown and needs replacing now , well so are wenger scolari and fergie. Martin O'niell is the new messaih . Oh and Joe Kinnear.

7) If you are not enjoying this seaon i want to know why you watch footy and why you support LFC.

8) I have never in all my supporting day's heard so much moaning pessamistic drivel . Can we not be feckin over the moon that we are in this title race and do we have to pull every single mistake apart  disect the bleeder ,put it back together and think what might have been .

9) Finally . What do you think our players and manager are thinking when they are out there on the pitch (top of the table remember)and all they hear is " Your Kuyt " or " Feckin attack ". I'd rather pass the ball on to a team mate ,know i'm going to get slated if a dare to make 40 yard pass or run at a player and it doesn't come off . We need to support our players and manager , it helps them play better honestly. We are challenging for the title and we are in the best position we've been in for years and still your not happy , what the feck is wrong with you people ? What do you want ? Do you want a perfect season ,like Arsenal ? Will you only be satisfied with that ? Do you think there is a reason we are playing better away from home ? Could it be that the players a cacking themselves knowing what they've got to put up with what's happening at home games when things go wrong .

Yer see over the last couple of weeks i'm certain that people find it more important that we fail ,just so they can say ,i told you so ?


DISCALIMER , NONE OF THIS POST IS REALLY AIMED AT YOU MICK , MAYBE ALITTLE BIT . IT'S JUST THAT I WAS GOING TO ANSWER YOUR POST AND I WENT OFF ON ONE , APOLOGIES.

Finally finally to everyone , try and be optimistic and don't read to much into things , you will enjoy this season so much more , i promise.

DISCLAIMER-I know it "wasn't aimed at me", but I'll answer bits of it anyway 

1 Luck. We've had more than our share but so what.

2 The standard of the league is relatively poor IMHO. In terms of the prestige of us winning it, so what. I was simply making conversation.

3. We should be top by 8 points. Well it's be lovely if we was, and we might be wishing we had been come the end of the season. I do like being top, but I don't think drawing every game at Home is the way to go. I retain the right to say so though, sorry mate   

4. It's lovely when other teams drop points, but equally it doesn't have an effect on our result. Drawing at Home to Hull was a poor result, whether or not Chelsea berat West Ham. In the short term it doesn't look quite so bad because Chelsea and Man Utd drew, but in the overall scheme of things it's still a poor result.

5. Keane-I think this might not have been aimed at me. He is though sh!te if you leave him on the bench.

6. Ditto the above bit.

7. I am enjoying this season, loving it. I do though also enjoy the debates.

8. Er, yes 

9. I don't think they worry too much what I think or am saying from 12000 miles away mate. Mores the pity 

10. I don't and have never wanted the team to fail so I can say "I told you so". I want them to win it so I can say "I told you so". There's a huge difference.

Leonmc0708 wrote:Back on topic, I think the overall quality of sides in the English league has improved, look at Hull for instance, no doubt helped by the level of football they played last year against big big teams in the Championship.

I would rather have an open league than one where only Reangers and Celtic are any cop.

Igor Zidane wrote:

bigmick wrote:

SupitsJonF wrote:

bigmick wrote:Well it's a poor Premiership this season that's the first thing. I think that is bourne out by the fact that everyone is beating each other, all the top teams are dropping points left right and centre so the margins between the various "divisions within divisions" is much smaller.

How is this poor though?  I always found leagues with no free games and unexpected results (for any team) was always more fun than a predictable league.  As a result your team might hurt a bit in the process, but its better then the same old free wins for everyone that plays a team below <insert table position here>

Sorry mate I don't mean "poor" in terms of lack of excitement, it's the most unpredictable and exciting Premiership ever in all probability. No I mean "poor" in terms of quality. There's normally a couple of really outstanding teams in there, and so far there hasn't been.

Can I also just point out here and now that it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever if you win it, whether it was poor or exceptional, if you win it you are the Champions and everyone else can go feck themselves. Same as the final points total, matters not a sh!te as long as you win it.

This self imposed sabbatical is sh!te , i just can't read some of this stuff without commenting .

Mick if it doesn't matter how in god's name we win the league ,just as long as we are there at the end of the season . How in gods name does it matter that we are in the position we are in now .

It seems to me that there are a hell of alot of people with chrystal balls on here of late .

1) We are here by luck ,so we won't win the league any way .

2) The standard of the league is poor , that's why were top . Not that there's a possibilty that the so called also rans just might be catching up .

3) It's not good enough that we're top , we should be top with an 8 point gap . It's not good enough ffs.

4) We shouldn't worry about other teams dropping points we should worry about ourselves , No no , we should worry about the others , because it's only a matter of time before they click into gear and catch us.

5) Keanes, sh!te and needs selling ASAP , no he's not he's our saviour and would have scored a hatrick against hull .

6) Rafa's a clueless clown and needs replacing now , well so are wenger scolari and fergie. Martin O'niell is the new messaih . Oh and Joe Kinnear.

7) If you are not enjoying this seaon i want to know why you watch footy and why you support LFC.

8) I have never in all my supporting day's heard so much moaning pessamistic drivel . Can we not be feckin over the moon that we are in this title race and do we have to pull every single mistake apart  disect the bleeder ,put it back together and think what might have been .

9) Finally . What do you think our players and manager are thinking when they are out there on the pitch (top of the table remember)and all they hear is " Your Kuyt " or " Feckin attack ". I'd rather pass the ball on to a team mate ,know i'm going to get slated if a dare to make 40 yard pass or run at a player and it doesn't come off . We need to support our players and manager , it helps them play better honestly. We are challenging for the title and we are in the best position we've been in for years and still your not happy , what the feck is wrong with you people ? What do you want ? Do you want a perfect season ,like Arsenal ? Will you only be satisfied with that ? Do you think there is a reason we are playing better away from home ? Could it be that the players a cacking themselves knowing what they've got to put up with what's happening at home games when things go wrong .

Yer see over the last couple of weeks i'm certain that people find it more important that we fail ,just so they can say ,i told you so ?


DISCALIMER , NONE OF THIS POST IS REALLY AIMED AT YOU MICK , MAYBE ALITTLE BIT . IT'S JUST THAT I WAS GOING TO ANSWER YOUR POST AND I WENT OFF ON ONE , APOLOGIES.

Finally finally to everyone , try and be optimistic and don't read to much into things , you will enjoy this season so much more , i promise.

Great post Igor - my sentiments, your eloquence

It's all very well disecting performances and finding cause for our reluctance to win games against the 'lesser' teams, but sometimes it's just great to be able to say - without even hitting 'good form' we have managed to stay at the top in Dec  - we are NOT OUT OF IT

It's sad to come on to a Liverpool Supporters forum and find that your fellow posters have fargile faith in claiming 'we've lost the title', when what we really want is to be challenging any way for starters and for the manager to relenquish his tenure, because.... umm we are top and 'can't be taken any further'

(Disclaimer: I'm not claiming to be the 'best supporter' or that those who have reason to be unhappy are less in their support)

It's been oh so long since we won the 'holy grail' - lets not destroy the journey with frustration alone, lets enjoy it too and see where a fit Torres and co take us!

I luv Rafa and believe in him - but he is not above criticism and yes he's decisions can be most infuriating. Rafa will live and die by the sword (he's decisions) he is the manager and his direction and leadership has placed us at the summit - if we sustain or plummet that will be the true test of his leadership and direction, it will also determine whether he stays or goes !