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Kharhaz wrote:Now the government are constantly on the case of people claiming benefits. The latest being if you have a kid 1 year + you should find work.

Good call. In our worst year for financial reasons, job losses, recession and all that the latest brain wave hits parliament.

Heres the solution. Do as proposed. Now you need to find work, and you also need help financially to pay for a child minder while your working. The child minder has to be paid and you have to find a way to benefit yourself. You go through all the details with the jobcenter to find a way to make it worthwhile. If you work you have to pay back the social loans (if you have any) and also make it worthwhile. As in you wont be in work long if you are employed earning £250 a week while costs (rent, council tax etc) are totalling £400 a week. You have to come to an agreement with the jobcenter to ensure your livelihood.

So now the agreement is in place. You get working tax credits. You get help with the nanny. Both parents are now part time employed. They both work 16 hours minimum.

Both parents are working. Everybody is happy. Governments happy, we are helping the stats, Jobcenter is happy, 2 more people off the dole. The parents are happy....

They both become child minders looking after there own kids for 16 hours each a week ! 

The way child minders work, they have to be qualified and when it comes to requesting a child minder they have to meet the requirements asked for. Its all down to the parents to choose who they would like as a minder for there children.

I'm not sure how the 'Child minder' thing works in England, and I know in the short-term its a real pain in the @rse have to fork out their wages, which is only fair of course. Here in Australia 'Child centres' are pretty expensive IMO, around 70-100 pounds a week. Closer to 70 in all honesty. But come the end of the finacial year those parents who've been sending their kids off to child centres are entitled to claim a hefty some back from the Government as a tax return.

Can the same not be done in England ?

The recession is hitting pretty hard, and my old dear was forced to do a 3-week stint in 'Picking and packing' its rather funny considering she's a 'Prissy' woman. And told me over the phone that she felt like " a fecking navi "  . She has got another job, temping or something now. But she said she couldnt believe how many Polish people worked in this M&S warehouse. Their was an abundance of Polish people working in there, are dolled up, smelling like a t.arts handbag wearing all these nice clothes and that. My old dear couldnt believe it, she said they go to work and LOVE it, getting all dolled up while us English birds come into work looking like scruffs and getting paid peanuts.    The problem is, while its quite nice to see a bit of enthusiasm in a working enviroment like that (from the Poles) it also allows these big companies to lower their wages, as anything over 3 pound an hour is like diamonds to these Poles.

Paying labour can get cheaper and cheaper if there are certain people willing to work for less than the Indigeneous wage expectancey.

Back to Governments quickly, over here Joe 90 aka Kevin Rudd has just blown a few million or Billion perhaps in theory to helping Austalia steer clear slightly of the recession. He has given every parent and pensioner 1000 dollars, which to all the people qualified (not me) under this idea, found the money in their banck account on December the 2nd. An extra grand !

He's told those people to go out and splurge the money on Xmas pressies in order to boost the economy. Sounds good in theory, I wonder what John Howard must been thinking after putting all that money aside for a rainy day ?

Kharhaz wrote:Ive noticed the amount of views and lack of reply. And well done. Its a stupid idea isnt it? I posted this just to point out the obvious flaws in such suggestions and the means in which they can be caught out. Lets face it, and be honest, people who claim benefits have to to ensure the bills are paid. Many people who are claiming benefits do so because the work isnt there. It doesnt help having politicians constantly on the case of the unemployed saying "YOUR EVIL" and must be stamped out. In this time of britain struggling financially, the most proposals are for the poor, people who cannot find work because there area has been stamped out. Its hard enough, we dont need anymore pressure, we are already turning grey and growing wrinkles because of it.

When I found out my missus was pregnant again, I redid my CV, I applied once again to jobs and tried to find something. Even factories, a last resort not long ago, are out. Theres nothing. A friend of mine suggested drug dealing. He doesnt take them himself but he doesnt sign on, he has a car and money. I refuse to, its my morals. I would like the government and general ignorance itself to stop blaming people like me claiming benefits as being the cause of the problem currently.
Do I become society's problem or do I become society's problem? in my case there is no choice. The government should stop pinning the blame on those at the bottom, as we cannot get any lower.

You are a genuine person though that WANTS to work!
The problem is there are millions who have no interest in working,that milk the system,feign disabilities to get free cars and all that!

Its these bast@rds that the government want to be targeting,not people like you and single mums!
Keep your chin up mate,I've been there not so long ago.Its easy to give up hope when theres nothing out there to apply for but something will come up.In the meantime staying sane is hard to do,its boring as fu'ck having no job!
Something will come up though and you will appreciate it when it does,plus you will respect your ££ more and probably turn into a right stingey kunt like me!!

s@int wrote:I know its easier said than done mate, but don't give up applying for jobs, sooner or later one will turn up. In the meantime you could try going to College and re training for something that you have an interest in.(I think most of the courses are free if you are unemployed) You seem a bright bloke with an interest in computers, why not try a computer course.... if nothing else it will give you an interest and something to do, and you never know it might help in your job search.

I am not sure what age you are, but don't be frightened of re-training. I re-trained at 24 after I discovered I wasn't as keen on the Civil Service as I had once thought, and never looked back. So it is possible. Just pick something that you have a genuine interest in, that way you are more likely to complete the course. If you can't find something that interests you, go for a short course in something that could save you/earn you money like car servicing or bricklaying. Then if you find you like it, you can do the "proper" course of Car mechanic or Builder etc.

The main thing is don't give up trying. There is always something you can do to improve your chances.... Rewrite your CV, cold call a few companies etc etc.   

Whatever you decide I wish you luck mate.

I applied to over 10 jobs after I graduated, I've received 4 interviews and 2 exams in the jobs I applied for, and I signed a contract for one.

still waiting for the visa to move now 

s@int wrote:I know its easier said than done mate, but don't give up applying for jobs, sooner or later one will turn up. In the meantime you could try going to College and re training for something that you have an interest in.(I think most of the courses are free if you are unemployed) You seem a bright bloke with an interest in computers, why not try a computer course.... if nothing else it will give you an interest and something to do, and you never know it might help in your job search.

I am not sure what age you are, but don't be frightened of re-training. I re-trained at 24 after I discovered I wasn't as keen on the Civil Service as I had once thought, and never looked back. So it is possible. Just pick something that you have a genuine interest in, that way you are more likely to complete the course. If you can't find something that interests you, go for a short course in something that could save you/earn you money like car servicing or bricklaying. Then if you find you like it, you can do the "proper" course of Car mechanic or Builder etc.

The main thing is don't give up trying. There is always something you can do to improve your chances.... Rewrite your CV, cold call a few companies etc etc.   

Whatever you decide I wish you luck mate.

i half expected s@int to say that we shoot the parents and kids to get them off the dole and harvest their organs 

woof woof ! wrote:Without getting into all the ins and outs of it, always puzzles me why people who've been signing on for more than say six months aren't made to do council work for a number of hours each week to continue to receive their benefits. Four hours a day working on the bin wagons or sweeping the streets will soon weed out the malingerers and if it doesn't well at least our towns and cities would be a bit cleaner.

Lee J wrote:

woof woof ! wrote:Without getting into all the ins and outs of it, always puzzles me why people who've been signing on for more than say six months aren't made to do council work for a number of hours each week to continue to receive their benefits. Four hours a day working on the bin wagons or sweeping the streets will soon weed out the malingerers and if it doesn't well at least our towns and cities would be a bit cleaner.

that is a cracking idea.

woof for parliment!!

taff wrote:Insane idea. I can guarantee that certain councils will try to maintain a jobless quota to get services done on the cheap.  Why not get companies to take jobless on at the dole money and if they prove themselves then give them a full time job.  If not then feedback on why not etc so they have realistic expectations when applying for things

Judge wrote:

taff wrote:Insane idea. I can guarantee that certain councils will try to maintain a jobless quota to get services done on the cheap.  Why not get companies to take jobless on at the dole money and if they prove themselves then give them a full time job.  If not then feedback on why not etc so they have realistic expectations when applying for things

they had a similar thing in the 80s for young folk.

it was called the YTS - slave labour for next to nothing