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by **Sabre** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:04 pm

Its funny because theyre all the same, the fans with a season ticket seem to think they have some sort of aura around their head all high and mighty above the rest of the "other" fans

I know what loyal means, but I'm applying the term to how it's used in football. Not only in England, also in Spain.

LFC is not a good example because everybody wants to watch at them, but you know, those season ticket holders will go to the game against Luton or other lower categories, where as the occasional fan fancies to go to see against Manchester. IN a lesser club, loyal fans will be those who go when the team is in the bottom of the team, and non loyals those who go when Liverpool or Manchester comes to the city. All of them love their club, but the ones going to everymatch are more loyal.

For what is worth, the only way that the club has to know if you're loyal, is your attendance. When you have to sell tickets, you cannot wait to hear "oh I come from 50000 km away, been a fan since I was 2 years old". You simply can't.

by **Igor Zidane** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:17 pm

weringo wrote:Its funny because theyre all the same, the fans with a season ticket seem to think they have some sort of aura around their head all high and mighty above the rest of the "other" fans

It's not like that. LFC have a loyalty based ticket issuing system.

Wether your from liverpool or not, the more matches you go to the easier it is to get tickets for other matches. It's as simple as that .

Season ticket holders are given priority for other tickets because in the most part they go to all the matches at home and they pay a hefty price for there season ticket , but come hell or high water they still pay the money for it every season. THAT'S LOYALTY.

by **Feeney** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:31 pm

weringo wrote:Its funny because theyre all the same, the fans with a season ticket seem to think they have some sort of aura around their head all high and mighty above the rest of the "other" fans

"They're all the same"? Sorry, are we talking about someone who supports a different club? What a ridiculous comment - and, for the record, I am not a season ticket holder, I have to pay full price for all of my tickets.

I hear this type of comments from 'fans' all the time - "the waiting list is too long", or "you can never get hold of a ticket" blah blah blah. For me, those people just don't try hard enough.

I started getting tickets by going to the unfancied games aganst the likes of Slovan Liberec and Carling Cup games. From there, I was able to get hold of more tickets and now, I get 2 tickets for every home game, certain away games and have also attended a couple of Finals and this years Community Shield.

How? By fu*king being ar$ed and going out there and finding tickets. Technically, I get more than a season ticket holder as I get 2 tickets per match, so does this mean that I am mightier than thou? No, does it fu*k. It just means I bother my ar$e more in getting tickets. If you want them, you can get them. I've never paid over the odds for any ticket and sometimes I have been shafted when it comes to getting certain tickets, but that's the way it goes.

This thread is rapidly decending into a 'them and us' topic as I see it, when infact it should be 'us and us'. Some of us put more effort into getting tickets and as such we reap the rewards. I'm not saying i'm more loyal than others, however I would say that I put the work in to get tickets.

Like everything in life really, you get out what you put in

by **bigmick** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:23 pm

Fans who live outside Liverpool and are crying "foul", or "them and us" and "holier than thou" are barking up completely the wrong tree here. I cannot think of a single more sensible way of distributing tickets than the one which Liverpool and all other major clubs employ. Moaning about regular matchgoers recieving priority is akin to winging when the guy who props up the bar every night gets served first or crying in your cappucino because the bloke in front of you gets a freebie as he has ten stamps on his card thingie (sorry I can't think what it's called but you know what I mean).

It's the way it is, always has been and alwways will be. What's more it's the only fair and sensible way to do it. I have absolutely no complaints whatsoever as to the method of ticket distribution as I can hardly ever get to go to a game in London never mind Liverpool. It's when the guys start all that "yeah but you only get a true perspective if you go to the game, watch it on the telly and you haven't got a clue" stuff that it gets me going

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by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:24 pm

Got to say folks, Leon is 100% correct.

Why should a fan who goes to 1 game every 2 or 3 years have as much right to a ticket as someone who goes week-in, week-out?

If you go to a shop once a year and buy 1 packet of crisps, then an old customer goes in every day and buys a bag, no matter what, would you expect the same loyalty discount?

No - ofcourse you wouldn't.

So why expect a loyalty bonus, when you show no loyalty? It doesn't mean you aren't a fan, just that you don't go to the games. Read a dictionary, then...

Grow up.

by **weringo** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:04 pm

I am not going to go and get a dictionary to get a quote of the definition of loyalty, everyone knows what it means. And just to let you know, even the games against the lesser teams are difficult to get tickets to, I will go to see Liverpool play anyone as I go to see Liverpool , not the other team.

by **Cool Hand Luke** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:05 pm

weringo wrote:I am not going to go and get a dictionary to get a quote of the definition of loyalty, everyone knows what it means. And just to let you know, even the games against the lesser teams are difficult to get tickets to, I will go to see Liverpool play anyone as I go to see Liverpool , not the other team.

You should be able to go to the midweek game against Portsmouth coming up soon.

by **67-1161385641** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:08 pm

I have to agree with what the likes of Feeney and Bigmick have said. If you don't go to a lot of matches why should you get more of a priority than someone who spends most of their wages on tickets and merchandise? I'm not having ago at anyone and I know not everyone can live in Liverpool and get to every single match both home and away, but that's life.

I'm not a season ticket holder, but I'm able to get tickets to a lot of matches and how I did that was by getting a fan card and going to the matches that people turned their noses up at, the likes of Charlton, Fulham, Wigan and so on.

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:01 pm

Wait for the FA Cup or a midweek a tie and your bound to get a ticket

by **66-1112520797** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:02 am

Personally I agree with the general concensis that who ever and no matter where their from goes to the matches on a regular basis they should be offered up the tickets first. I have no problem, I havent been to many matches at Liverpool, but I've seen em play Coventry, Blackburn and Sunderland at Anfield. None of them are considered "hollywood" games. I really couldnt give a s.hit who they were playing, I was just made up and appreciated the fact I got to see my team play, I cannot understand the mentality of people who think they should only watch the Reds play in the crunch fixtures, thats wrong IMO.
It seems to be fashionable to bash the OOters for this, but it does pi$$ me off that some Scousers only consider themselves loyal to the club, think they deserve their place more than others and constantly whinge about the "outsiders". Fuc.king grow up !
Its a sgn of the times, Liverpool are as popular as ever. Some Scousers will tell you "We need a new stadium" and others say 'weneed investment and new players etc to keep up with the times of modern football. Most Scousers will recognise that, but yet some still have a chip on their block and wont accept the fact there are "outsiders" supporting their club, this also is a sign of the times.

by **Espionage** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:33 am

I plan on travelling to Europe sometime in the next 5 years and i'll be damned if I dont get to a Liverpool game. So I guess that I sympathise with hishhish becasue I probably would have said the same thing. Furthermore I would not appreciate being labelled a plastic fan just because I happend to be born in the wrong part of the world.

It’s a tough argument because sometimes the people that really deserve the tickets don’t get them. But then again there are supporters from all around the world that going to just one match would mean the world to them and they are ridiculed for it. At the end of the day it’s the job of the club to make sure that there is a healthy equilibrium. But to tell the the truth, ill be :censored:

off if i do my research, learn all the songs, come from the other side of the globe and cant get tickets to a decent game and am ridiculed for trying to take tickets away from real supporters :angry:

by **el_stinger** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:12 am

Leonmc0708 wrote:
weringo wrote:
Sabre wrote:
Non loyal? does loyalty mean living 5 minutes away from the stadium? I always try to get tickets to home/away games but its near impossible without a season ticket which I cant get either because I cant travel 300 miles to Liverpool every week.

What LeonMc has said applies also to me and I'm not offended.

If he thought you are non loyal in the sense of "not worthy" he wouldn't have offered fancard numbers of his own in the first place.

Loyal means you go to the stadium always, or many times. There are people who rarely misses a game. No matter if the game is against Reading or Manchester Utd, it's cold, or rainy. THey're there, no matter what.

And we like it or not, we are not. So in that sense we're non loyal fans. Nobody puts in question your love to LFC, it's as simple as there are too much people wanting to go to the stadium.

For the Spaniards that might be reading this forum, I've learnt that the best way to get a ticket are the Spaniards themselves. A mate I know just got tickets from Xabi Alonso by contacting his brother. Apparently he does this often to those who want to know Anfield!! Reina also uses to help.

No offence but I think you need to re check the definition of loyalty, someone who is loyal to Liverpool will always support the club no matter what, it has nothing to do with how many games you go to.

In a ticket thread it does you fuc.king numpty.

The point was made by hishhish "I don't live in the UK, and so cannot attend many games, but am willing to pay extra to have the option to purchase a ticket for both away and home and european games too, but it seems there is no way for a fan who is not attending games regularly to purchase tickets"

And I said that there is no reason why a ticket scheme which is set up to reward loyalty would allow non loyalty to qualify people for tickets.

People need to jump off their fuc.king high horses and stop with the "I'm as much of a fan as you are" horsesh.it everytime someone mentions it.

Get a grip.

If you dont go the game then you will need to work to get a fuc.king ticket.

If you do go the game tickets will be more easily accesible to you.

Fu.ck off

You've been so charming to everyone in the past, its an absolute travesty that you could have been taken out of context.

It pays to be nice once in a while.

by **babu** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:37 am

I don't understand why people get upset. The term loyalty here refers to the fan card system, maybe the club could have phrased it better.

As for the arguement, 'its not my fault i live (or was born) on the other side of the world'. damn straight its your fault, if you wanted too you could move. You have the choice, but most likely other prioties in live come first (like being able to afford to eat).

No-one can tell you that you are not a true fan of the club. Absolutly no-one, becuase only you know the answer, therefore why get offended? I mean sure, if someone calls you a manc, then you have a right to go bananas.

And by the way, i sometimes think its easier for somone who lives half way around the world to get tickets than, say someone from London. I lived and worked in london for 2 years and only got to see 2 home games, despite trying. From here, all i have to do is contact the supporters club and they sort the tickets out for me, for pretty much any game, so long as its well in advance. <- I know many of you will be upset by that, but if they can do it, i will use them.

by **hishhish** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:15 am

OK, now that we have spent days talking and defining (try to) loyalty and them and us and on and on and used many 4 letter words to express ourselves I have a comment and a question

If I can get tickets to a "hollywood" home game by paying crazy prices, (which I have done), doesn't that mean that a "loyal" fan has actually to sell his loyalty for a price? How about that for loyalty!
More importantly, I am not saying fans who attend regularly and those who don't should be treated equal. I am actually saying the opposite, why doesn't the club itself offer higher priced tickets to those fans who are deemed less "loyal". People like me, can then feel wanted by the club (which as transfer money and player wages are going) which I am sure the club wants and the club can get additional income from tickets. Airlines do that!!
The added bonus (for the club), is they remove the scalpers from the middle.

by **babu** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:16 am

weringo wrote:Its funny because theyre all the same, the fans with a season ticket seem to think they have some sort of aura around their head all high and mighty above the rest of the "other" fans

while that may be true, i have never seen anyone suggest that on this board. In fact i thought Leon was offering to let you use a fancard number.

Perhaps you need to stop inferring something which is simply not there, and if it is around (outside this board) then the easiet way is to ignore it. IMO.

As for myself, even if i lived and worked in Liverpool, i highly doubt i would be a season ticket holder. The amount of time and effort required to go to so many games would be too much for me.

Would this make me less of a fan than a season ticket holder, probably. do i care? no, its not a competition, its about support.

I even support what i've read about RTK, becuase essentially its about lifting the team on pitch. That can only be a good thing. Look recently at Arsenal, in europe. Imagine Istanbul at half time, the fans booing. would LFC have won that game then? frickin doubt it.

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