News flash.
Bin Laden was spotted on miami beach working on his tan only days after being spotted on a jet ski in Greece with some chick on the back.
Bin laden
by 112-1077774096 » Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:39 am
i was telling my bird that bin laden has a bounty on his head, she said "no, i think its a towel"
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by account deleted by request » Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:12 am
Police to muzzle dog squads for fear of being sued
By NICK MCDERMOTT
The police are worried about compensation claims
polce dogs are being muzzled to stop them biting and injuring suspected criminals, it emerged yesterday.
The policy, devised by North Wales Police, comes as a result of increased compensation claims from members of the public who have been bitten by police dogs.
Officers say the toothless tactic provides a safer way to tackle unco-operative offenders, and it may soon be adopted by dog squads across the country.
But critics say it is another example of political correctness gone mad - putting the rights and safety of criminals before cutting crime and protecting the public.
Rather than biting suspects, the dogs have instead been trained to disable their targets by leaping at them and delivering a flying 'head-butt'.
The tough Belgian Malinois breed - similar to an Alsatian - is favoured by the North Wales force, which is headed by controversial chief Richard Brunstrom. To protect the animals, a metal rod across the front of the muzzle helps absorb the impact of the strike.
'Instead of biting, the dog is muzzled and launches itself like a missile at the midriff of the target,' said Deputy Chief Constable of North Wales, Clive Wolfendale.
'It is one of the additional options open to us to muzzle our dogs and get them to use a head butt,' said Sgt Ian Massie. 'We believe it is a safer option for an offender to be head-butted.'
But retired dog handler John Barrett, who served for 18 years with the Metropolitan Police, is critical of the new tactic.
'This sounds like political correctness. It is very strange - I think the public would laugh at you with a muzzled dog, and it could be counterproductive if people think the dog has to be muzzled because it is dangerous.'
The officer that pioneered the technique, Sgt Gareth Crowe, says the flying head charge is the equivalent of a baton blow if the dog has a full run-up.
The technique has been deemed so successful that muzzled dogs are also being used for crowd control at football games.
'Sometimes people think a dog can't do anything because it is muzzled, and they are caught out be the power and speed of the tactic,' said Sgt Crowe.
'For me, it is a high-level use of force to physically bite a person. We've now got a continuum of force that gives us another tactical option to deploy the dog.
'The 'conflict management model' of policing says that any force must be reasonable under the circumstances. It is clearly to gain control, prevent injury to the officer or others, and prevent damage to property.'
North Wales Police Chief Constable Richard Brunstrom earlier this year faced criticism from within his own ranks for plans to award his officers points for making arrests or handing out fines.
Under the scheme, they could receive twice as many for seizing an abandoned car as for making an arrest.
Mr Brunstrom, the Government's adviser on road safety and speed cameras, has earned himself the nickname the 'Mad Mullah of the Traffic Taliban'.
In 2003, he called for the number of cameras to be trebled and the following year admitted getting officers to 'hide behind road signs and walls' with handheld devices.
His force has also been criticised for its appalling burglary clear-up rate and for launching costly inquiries into alleged anti-Welsh comments by Tony Blair and Anne Robinson.
Zinedane Zidane police dogs ! PC gone mad !!!!
By NICK MCDERMOTT
The police are worried about compensation claims
polce dogs are being muzzled to stop them biting and injuring suspected criminals, it emerged yesterday.
The policy, devised by North Wales Police, comes as a result of increased compensation claims from members of the public who have been bitten by police dogs.
Officers say the toothless tactic provides a safer way to tackle unco-operative offenders, and it may soon be adopted by dog squads across the country.
But critics say it is another example of political correctness gone mad - putting the rights and safety of criminals before cutting crime and protecting the public.
Rather than biting suspects, the dogs have instead been trained to disable their targets by leaping at them and delivering a flying 'head-butt'.
The tough Belgian Malinois breed - similar to an Alsatian - is favoured by the North Wales force, which is headed by controversial chief Richard Brunstrom. To protect the animals, a metal rod across the front of the muzzle helps absorb the impact of the strike.
'Instead of biting, the dog is muzzled and launches itself like a missile at the midriff of the target,' said Deputy Chief Constable of North Wales, Clive Wolfendale.
'It is one of the additional options open to us to muzzle our dogs and get them to use a head butt,' said Sgt Ian Massie. 'We believe it is a safer option for an offender to be head-butted.'
But retired dog handler John Barrett, who served for 18 years with the Metropolitan Police, is critical of the new tactic.
'This sounds like political correctness. It is very strange - I think the public would laugh at you with a muzzled dog, and it could be counterproductive if people think the dog has to be muzzled because it is dangerous.'
The officer that pioneered the technique, Sgt Gareth Crowe, says the flying head charge is the equivalent of a baton blow if the dog has a full run-up.
The technique has been deemed so successful that muzzled dogs are also being used for crowd control at football games.
'Sometimes people think a dog can't do anything because it is muzzled, and they are caught out be the power and speed of the tactic,' said Sgt Crowe.
'For me, it is a high-level use of force to physically bite a person. We've now got a continuum of force that gives us another tactical option to deploy the dog.
'The 'conflict management model' of policing says that any force must be reasonable under the circumstances. It is clearly to gain control, prevent injury to the officer or others, and prevent damage to property.'
North Wales Police Chief Constable Richard Brunstrom earlier this year faced criticism from within his own ranks for plans to award his officers points for making arrests or handing out fines.
Under the scheme, they could receive twice as many for seizing an abandoned car as for making an arrest.
Mr Brunstrom, the Government's adviser on road safety and speed cameras, has earned himself the nickname the 'Mad Mullah of the Traffic Taliban'.
In 2003, he called for the number of cameras to be trebled and the following year admitted getting officers to 'hide behind road signs and walls' with handheld devices.
His force has also been criticised for its appalling burglary clear-up rate and for launching costly inquiries into alleged anti-Welsh comments by Tony Blair and Anne Robinson.
Zinedane Zidane police dogs ! PC gone mad !!!!
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by 66-1112520797 » Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:47 am
Mannyk wrote:So back to the innitial question. Is he dead or what?
Good question, I wonder.
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by account deleted by request » Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:51 am
N Korea says sanctions 'are war'
Pyongyang announced it had carried out a nuclear test on 9 October
North Korea says UN sanctions imposed after its nuclear bomb test are a declaration of war, state media says.
Pyongyang also warned of "merciless" blows against any country infringing on its sovereignty, the official KCNA news agency reported.
There are reports of new activity at last week's test site, and South Korea and Japan say they have intelligence of a possible second test.
The US says air samples have confirmed the 9 October blast was nuclear.
The UN Security Council unanimously voted on Saturday to impose sanctions, targeting Pyongyang's weapons and missile programmes as well as luxury goods.
In its first official statement since the vote, North Korea said it "vehemently denounced" the resolution and called it a "product of US hostile policy" towards the country.
"The resolution cannot be construed otherwise than a declaration of a war" against the North, the statement from the foreign ministry said, echoing comments made by North Korea's ambassador to the UN on Saturday.
The statement repeated North Korea's previous claim that it wanted peace and a de-nuclearised Korean peninsula.
But it warned "we will deliver merciless blows without hesitation to whoever tries to breach our sovereignty and right to survive under the excuse of carrying out the UN Security Council resolution."
South Korean officials and Japanese media have reported that new intelligence shows North Korea is possibly preparing for a second nuclear bomb test.
A White House official said US spy satellites had detected suspicious movements near the 9 October blast site but these could not be confirmed as relating to a second test.
US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has warned North Korea that a second nuclear test would be a provocative act that could only deepen its isolation.
She was speaking as she prepared for a tour of Asia to bolster the sanctions the UN has imposed on North Korea.
Sounds like things are begining to get worse again
Pyongyang announced it had carried out a nuclear test on 9 October
North Korea says UN sanctions imposed after its nuclear bomb test are a declaration of war, state media says.
Pyongyang also warned of "merciless" blows against any country infringing on its sovereignty, the official KCNA news agency reported.
There are reports of new activity at last week's test site, and South Korea and Japan say they have intelligence of a possible second test.
The US says air samples have confirmed the 9 October blast was nuclear.
The UN Security Council unanimously voted on Saturday to impose sanctions, targeting Pyongyang's weapons and missile programmes as well as luxury goods.
In its first official statement since the vote, North Korea said it "vehemently denounced" the resolution and called it a "product of US hostile policy" towards the country.
"The resolution cannot be construed otherwise than a declaration of a war" against the North, the statement from the foreign ministry said, echoing comments made by North Korea's ambassador to the UN on Saturday.
The statement repeated North Korea's previous claim that it wanted peace and a de-nuclearised Korean peninsula.
But it warned "we will deliver merciless blows without hesitation to whoever tries to breach our sovereignty and right to survive under the excuse of carrying out the UN Security Council resolution."
South Korean officials and Japanese media have reported that new intelligence shows North Korea is possibly preparing for a second nuclear bomb test.
A White House official said US spy satellites had detected suspicious movements near the 9 October blast site but these could not be confirmed as relating to a second test.
US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has warned North Korea that a second nuclear test would be a provocative act that could only deepen its isolation.
She was speaking as she prepared for a tour of Asia to bolster the sanctions the UN has imposed on North Korea.
Sounds like things are begining to get worse again
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by Mannyk » Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:22 am
Personally it doesn't matter I think the yanks want him alive as long as possible as it gives them an excuse to continue there "war on terror'
I mean for fu cks sake they found Saddam in a whole in the groung in Iraq and they can't find Osama.
They don't want to. I know there are 2 sides of the argument regarding terrorism and freedom but I think there are things that the greater population will never hear.
Don't get me wrong I hate terrorists and any dumb extremists out there but the yanks don't do themselves any favours.
For god sake they were heading off six months in advance with half the American fleet off to the gulf preparing for a March invasion telling Saddam to declare his weapons of mass destruction.
What did they find?So how do they justify what they did? by telling everyone they got rid of a dictator who persecuted his own people.
Well you know what ther are sh it loads of countries like that. North Korea ,Iran and not too mention half of Africa.And some of them have nuclear capabilities.
And before anyone of muslim faith says it's against you. Then you really need to look at your religion.
I think the biggest problem that occurs within the muslim community around the world is that you don't have a leader out there who stands up against the people that do harm against your faith.
It's always a case of justifying why extremists of muslim faith do what they do. Becasue deep down the majority of muslims do hate Christians , Jews and other faiths that are not muslim.
I am not generalising either, I live in Australia and it is the same
here. The funny thing is that if the muslim community integrated with the people around them then they would be more accepted.
The majority of Australia could not care less if you were Christian muslim ot worshiped a dead fish.Yes there ae rascists like every where else in the world.People want to live in peace with out fear.
Now if you Muslim you may say well what about palestine, Iraq etc. I agree these issues need to be fixed and people are suffering.
But I ask what positive steps has any muslim Arab nation taken to fix these problems. You have Iran holding demosrations with 1 million people walking down the street saying death to Isreal and it's leader saying it must be wiped out. BTW I am not Jewish.
Yes your faith should be respected like any other but you must admit there is something slightly wrong with it when it can be interpretted so differently by so many people all around the world.
One last thing I have many friends who are AUSTRALIAN and believe in Islam and they are beautiful people.
But is he really dead??
I mean for fu cks sake they found Saddam in a whole in the groung in Iraq and they can't find Osama.
They don't want to. I know there are 2 sides of the argument regarding terrorism and freedom but I think there are things that the greater population will never hear.
Don't get me wrong I hate terrorists and any dumb extremists out there but the yanks don't do themselves any favours.
For god sake they were heading off six months in advance with half the American fleet off to the gulf preparing for a March invasion telling Saddam to declare his weapons of mass destruction.
What did they find?So how do they justify what they did? by telling everyone they got rid of a dictator who persecuted his own people.
Well you know what ther are sh it loads of countries like that. North Korea ,Iran and not too mention half of Africa.And some of them have nuclear capabilities.
And before anyone of muslim faith says it's against you. Then you really need to look at your religion.
I think the biggest problem that occurs within the muslim community around the world is that you don't have a leader out there who stands up against the people that do harm against your faith.
It's always a case of justifying why extremists of muslim faith do what they do. Becasue deep down the majority of muslims do hate Christians , Jews and other faiths that are not muslim.
I am not generalising either, I live in Australia and it is the same
here. The funny thing is that if the muslim community integrated with the people around them then they would be more accepted. The majority of Australia could not care less if you were Christian muslim ot worshiped a dead fish.Yes there ae rascists like every where else in the world.People want to live in peace with out fear.
Now if you Muslim you may say well what about palestine, Iraq etc. I agree these issues need to be fixed and people are suffering.
But I ask what positive steps has any muslim Arab nation taken to fix these problems. You have Iran holding demosrations with 1 million people walking down the street saying death to Isreal and it's leader saying it must be wiped out. BTW I am not Jewish.
Yes your faith should be respected like any other but you must admit there is something slightly wrong with it when it can be interpretted so differently by so many people all around the world.
One last thing I have many friends who are AUSTRALIAN and believe in Islam and they are beautiful people.
But is he really dead??
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by Big Niall » Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:18 pm
Britain is in a precarious position at the moment. Due to colonial history so many muslims there. SOME muslim women feel they should wear veils and I don't see any harm in that with a few possible exceptions (banks etc). Why should they have to take off the veil in Jack Straw (of all people 
) office.
I'm not a member of some PC brigade, but if somebody feels like wearing an article of clothing for religous reasons then why make them remove it?
) office.I'm not a member of some PC brigade, but if somebody feels like wearing an article of clothing for religous reasons then why make them remove it?
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by 112-1077774096 » Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:26 pm
i think you are confused here niall, he didnt force anyone to remove the veil, he ask them if they would consider removing the veil when they are in his surgery, the decision is then up to the individual. i agree with him that its important to see someones face during conversation (of course on the telephone its not possible). however as usual this has been twisted so some people can scream and shout.
i dont see anything wrong with making that request
i dont see anything wrong with making that request
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by red37 » Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:53 pm
i think Jack Straw handled himself perfectly respectfully in what he said. no insult at all could be derived from it. though one thing i will say in defence of the 'anti-veil' supporters is purely from a medical point of view. those who are hard of hearing or have other similar indispositions find, normal deciphering of speech at the best of times already difficult, why make it completely out of the question for them to understand anything at all? im not suggesting for a moment Jack Straw is 'mutton jeff'. but my own mother is, and thousands like her rely mostly on lip-reading as an aid to go about the majority of their daily routines effectively in the first place. this is one dubious feature that the veil definately doesnt help towards. that and the unfortunate opportunity it could give to someone with evil intent..and the less said about that the better... until it happens of course.
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by taff » Tue Oct 17, 2006 2:31 pm
Can we all stop and think about a few things here.
1. Bin Laden the original thread, who knows, the yanks spenty billions on space age technology and ignored basic ground intelligence, more interested in start wars than anything else. This is typical of their attitude of a snapshot of the world without intelligence on the complexity of the debates hence the alienation felt towards them.
This is why Bin Laden has grown in strength because of America and the wests apathy in dealing with the problem when it was a slight one, now its out of control
2. Please do not jump on the bandwagon of the change towards the attitude to Muslims, we are focusing on the few extremes and the majority are tut tutting away. How did that loony get so close to the Home secretary have a think about it then the veil debate and the slow alienation of the muslim community while we are making out we want them to integrate. We are pushing them to the outside to make the attack easier and less controversial. It si going to go off big style in this country over the next few years and intelligent people are jumping on this bandwagon. No conspiracy just cold calculated look at how poolitics works.
History shows us the future, have a look at persecuted races over the years and look at how it started
Before you slaughter you round the victims up
1. Bin Laden the original thread, who knows, the yanks spenty billions on space age technology and ignored basic ground intelligence, more interested in start wars than anything else. This is typical of their attitude of a snapshot of the world without intelligence on the complexity of the debates hence the alienation felt towards them.
This is why Bin Laden has grown in strength because of America and the wests apathy in dealing with the problem when it was a slight one, now its out of control
2. Please do not jump on the bandwagon of the change towards the attitude to Muslims, we are focusing on the few extremes and the majority are tut tutting away. How did that loony get so close to the Home secretary have a think about it then the veil debate and the slow alienation of the muslim community while we are making out we want them to integrate. We are pushing them to the outside to make the attack easier and less controversial. It si going to go off big style in this country over the next few years and intelligent people are jumping on this bandwagon. No conspiracy just cold calculated look at how poolitics works.
History shows us the future, have a look at persecuted races over the years and look at how it started
Before you slaughter you round the victims up
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by 112-1077774096 » Tue Oct 17, 2006 2:49 pm
i think you are wrong on the integration front taff. its the muslims in the UK who choose to live in densly populated muslim areas and then complain that they are not accepted in society.
i am not anti islam, far from it, i am however anti extremist and i am also against people who use their religion, race, gender, political preference and sexuality to influence decisions.
personally i am happy that things are now being highlighted when before people were afraid to speak because of the "sensitivity" of the subject matter and the fear of being labled racist for just voicing an opinion.
at least when everything is out in the open and every thing comes to a head, we will truly find out how much muslims want to intigrate into british society. let us see how many defend the rights and freedom that the UK gives them and how many prefer to still see themselves as alien to british culure.
as you know i live in thailand, i intigrate, nothing is changed to suit me, i never scream racism when there is a problem, we still have whiteboards out here, i dont complain about it. i dont force my opinions on anyone else.
as i have said earlier in this thread, i know a lot of muslims from my time in malaysia, they are great, open people, very friendly and forthcoming. i never encounterd racism against me because i intigrate and live my life within the conventions of the country i live in (of course i dont follow their religious beliefs), living this way gains respect and allows me to be welome in any company.
however the problem in the UK (i must stress here that i am not talking about all muslims, but i am talking about a very high percentage) is that muslims tend to stick together, they live in heavily populated muslim areas, they have conventions that are strange to our freedoms, they choose to speak in a language foreign to the UK. they dont criticise when a problem occurs caused by the muslim coommunity, they just point the finger at others. they dont folow islam as it should be followed, they drink, they smoke, they have sex out of marriage but when you offend one of them they suddenly try to make you believe they are good clean living muslims because this will bolster their argument. this causes problems.
its very true that at the moment things are being highlighted in the press and there are problems, can you seriously say these problems are caused by racism, are people in the UK so stupid that they will cause problems for no reason? i say they are not stupid, they are merely reacting at last and standing up for their own culture instead of being railroaded into a culture they have no knowledge of, or the only knowledge tey have of the culture is to once again pick up the paper or switch on the news to see muslims complaining about something else.
i am not anti islam, far from it, i am however anti extremist and i am also against people who use their religion, race, gender, political preference and sexuality to influence decisions.
personally i am happy that things are now being highlighted when before people were afraid to speak because of the "sensitivity" of the subject matter and the fear of being labled racist for just voicing an opinion.
at least when everything is out in the open and every thing comes to a head, we will truly find out how much muslims want to intigrate into british society. let us see how many defend the rights and freedom that the UK gives them and how many prefer to still see themselves as alien to british culure.
as you know i live in thailand, i intigrate, nothing is changed to suit me, i never scream racism when there is a problem, we still have whiteboards out here, i dont complain about it. i dont force my opinions on anyone else.
as i have said earlier in this thread, i know a lot of muslims from my time in malaysia, they are great, open people, very friendly and forthcoming. i never encounterd racism against me because i intigrate and live my life within the conventions of the country i live in (of course i dont follow their religious beliefs), living this way gains respect and allows me to be welome in any company.
however the problem in the UK (i must stress here that i am not talking about all muslims, but i am talking about a very high percentage) is that muslims tend to stick together, they live in heavily populated muslim areas, they have conventions that are strange to our freedoms, they choose to speak in a language foreign to the UK. they dont criticise when a problem occurs caused by the muslim coommunity, they just point the finger at others. they dont folow islam as it should be followed, they drink, they smoke, they have sex out of marriage but when you offend one of them they suddenly try to make you believe they are good clean living muslims because this will bolster their argument. this causes problems.
its very true that at the moment things are being highlighted in the press and there are problems, can you seriously say these problems are caused by racism, are people in the UK so stupid that they will cause problems for no reason? i say they are not stupid, they are merely reacting at last and standing up for their own culture instead of being railroaded into a culture they have no knowledge of, or the only knowledge tey have of the culture is to once again pick up the paper or switch on the news to see muslims complaining about something else.
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