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Postby dawson99 » Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:13 pm

it was a half seizure, which means he probably coughed. he went to hospital to save his mullet...fact.
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Postby shanks72 » Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:28 pm

The Manhattan Project wrote:This morning on talkSPORT, Alan Brazil was babbling on about how people are supposedly "overreacting" to this incident. He may have been drunk, but I'll address his main "arguments" (if we can refer to slurring speech as an "argument").

1- "We See Things Like This In Rugby All The Time".

Football is not rugby. It's arguable that a violent incident would even be permitted in rugby too. Besides, even if something is acceptable in one sport, doesn't make it acceptable in another. Ice hockey can be a violent sport, but if a figure skater slammed another figure skater into the sidewall, that wouldn't be accepted, despite the fact they are both winter sports.

2- "It Wasn't That Bad".

Mendes was knocked unconscious and suffered a seizure. Therefore, even if to drunken Scots, it didn't appear to "look" bad, it actually WAS bad, as supported by the evidence of Mendes' condition.

3- "We Have Seen Worse".

The fact we have seen worse incidents in football, does not mean that this incident is any more acceptable. In policework, a cop may see victims with 32 stab wounds, but it doesn't mean it's any better than seeing a victim with 33 stab wounds.

4- "The "Pansy" Argument"

Where the injured player is labelled a "pansy" because he went down after being elbowed in the face, and anyone who condemns this violent incident via phone or e-mail is equally called a "pansy". This is a sure sign of a weak argument.

5- "It Used To Happen All The Time In The Past..."

So did bear-baiting, so what's the point?

Just because violent hooliganism was also seen in the past, doesn't it make it acceptable today. The back-pass was seen in the past, but isn't today, because the game changes.

6- "Mendes' Injuries Were Caused By Hitting The Advertising Board".

Incorrect. Video replays show that his head never actually makes contact with the advertising board. The injuries were entirely caused by being violently struck with a forearm/elbow.

7- "Football Is A Physical Game..."

Striking a player in the face doesn't fall into the parameters of "physicality" as allowed by the rules of the game. It's why stamping on a player's face or ripping off his left ear would also be considered unacceptable.



I agree with Bob, Manhattan's post is brilliant!!
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Postby dawson99 » Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:35 pm

Well im sorry but ive been watching all the leagues, a load of the games, and it does happena  fair bit. We all know it was a bad tackle...well not even a tackle, but we dont need to all go mary whitehouse about it.
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Postby fivecups » Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:43 pm

dawson99 wrote:
fivecups wrote:Ridiculous challenge. Could have killed him. The worst thing is because of the rules of football he may get off completely.

Due to the intent and sheer viscousness I'd ban him for 8 matches.

could have killed him?

it was a shoulder barge...sort of!

A head injury sustained with that force and that speed could kill. If his head had hit the advertising board when he was unconsious he could have easily fractured his upper spinal column which could again be fatal. Watch the replays. It was vicious.

Shoulder charge? I think there's a bit of devils advocate going on there Dawson.
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Postby dawson99 » Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:58 pm

there is and there isnt. i honestly dont think it was as malicious as people say. they were going too fast to think about it. im admitting it was an awful challenge but talk of the police and an 8 match ban is just sillyness.

5 match ban maximum, and thats harsh!
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Postby fivecups » Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:14 pm

Well, I saw his elbow go up and take Mendes out, so I reckon there was intent. It's not like Thatcher hasn't done it before. I'd ban him from football for 3 months - I really would. And, if I was Mendes I'd happily bring an assault charge on him as well, ideally with the support of the club, to p*ss him right off.

But I reckon he'll get away lightly - the refs decision is final and all that.
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Postby J*o*n*D*o*e » Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:39 pm

first of all it wasnt a challenge it was an assault, watch the incident again at no point did the thug even consider going for the ball.

and as someone else pointed out he didnt even bother to wait to see if the guy was ok, job done.

no doubt there will be a few pro`s who would of seen that and will be looking forward to playing city.
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Postby supersub » Thu Aug 24, 2006 11:29 pm

dawson99 wrote:but a stamp is just as bad, even worse as it is thought about. thatcher is just a brute and not a very good player. 5 match ban. final offer :p

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Postby Roger Red Hat » Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:24 am

fivecups wrote:It's not like Thatcher hasn't done it before.

fivecups is right, Thatcher has a record for putting players in hospital or seriousley injuring them. Two footed challenges and elbows are all part of his game. I for one would like to see him laid dead in a field somewhere - he's a disgrace to the game. ban him for life, he should lose his right to play football again.

Imagine if he'd of done that to Alonso or Gerrard?

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Postby dawson99 » Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:12 am

supersub wrote:
dawson99 wrote:but a stamp is just as bad, even worse as it is thought about. thatcher is just a brute and not a very good player. 5 match ban. final offer :p

Well I won't except your final offer.

ok, 12 maqtch ban, 6 month suspended sentance and he has to do community service.  :devil:
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Postby Roger Red Hat » Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:26 am

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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:30 am

dawson99 wrote:there is and there isnt. i honestly dont think it was as malicious as people say. they were going too fast to think about it. im admitting it was an awful challenge but talk of the police and an 8 match ban is just sillyness.

5 match ban maximum, and thats harsh!

It was that bad. There was intent, he used his forearm/elbow and he knocked the bloke out - he should of been sent off. The reason the FA need to give him a massive ban and fine is becuase he has history of doing exactly the same thing to others.

I mean he's not even good, we're not going to miss him if he gets a big ban.
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Postby 48-1119859832 » Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:17 am

It's assualt, that wasn't a challenge and there was no intent to win the ball by Ben Thatcher. He should be banned from playing football or having anything to do with football, not to mention he should be charged with assualt and given a sentence. This kind of behaviour isn't acceptable in any other place, so it shouldn't be acceptable on a football pitch. It's good to see the police are involved.

Out of interest does anyone know how Mendes is fairing?
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Postby flipmode » Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:43 am

Awful needless challenge and he gave that other bloke a mouthful after, what a disgrace!
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Postby dawson99 » Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:44 am

mendes is fine.
some of you people are proper drama queens sometimes.
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