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Lionheart wrote:

2520years wrote:

Lionheart wrote:

2520years wrote:I do it myself when I play.  If someone kicks my ankles and I can make it look 'natural' I'll go to ground...and I'll invariably get a free kick.  If I don't go to ground but shout for a foul the game goes on regardless.  I'm not diving, just using my experience in order to get justice (not an unfair advantage).

You ARE diving unless initial (illegal) contact, the FOUL, bought you to ground or the opposition gained an advantage from the contact. If it didn't and you go to ground...YOU ARE DIVING!!!

Experience?? cr.ap!!! Don't take football lessons son, take diving (acting) lessons that way you could get the opposing player sent off too!!! Cheating, is what it is.

I like the quote from Nat Lofthouse:

"In my day there were plenty of footballers who'd kick your off.  The difference was that at the end of the game they'd shake your hand and help you look for them.

Do you think they'd do today?? I suggest not.

1) I've never even got an opposing player booked, never mind sent off.
2) At the end of the game I go to the opponents one by one and say "Well Played", which is more than most people do.
3) I said "If someone kicks my ankles" I'll go down "to get justice" not an "unfair advantage".  So this will be if I AM fouled, but it might otherwise go unnoticed.

I don't see any problem with any of that.  From what I can tell I show more respect for others than someone who doesn't read people's posts properly then patronises them.

Oh, someone is feeling all defensive... 

If someone kicks my ankles and I can make it look 'natural' I'll go to ground

...that sounds like acting to me. THAT is cheating in my book...winning by deception. You are trying to deceive the referee into believing you were fouled rather than just ankle tapped. Football is a contact sport and not all contact is a foul, but your natural looking dive is trying to make the game into something it should never be...a game of cheaters making natural looking dives in hoping to gain an advantage.   

1) I've never even got an opposing player booked, never mind sent off.

If it's the last defender that kicks your ankles (while heading directly for goal) then it's a sending off offence. Maybe it's just lucky no one has been booked or sent off...or maybe you just can't make that dive look natural enough!!! 

2) At the end of the game I go to the opponents one by one and say "Well Played", which is more than most people do.

My hero!!!

3) I said "If someone kicks my ankles" I'll go down "to get justice" not an "unfair advantage".  So this will be if I AM fouled, but it might otherwise go unnoticed.

and where does the player that made contact with you get his justice for your 'natural' looking dive.

Look, if the opposing player kicks your legs out from under you and you go to ground, fair enough, foul committed, your free kick. But a player that kicks you in the ankle (in an honest attempt to gain control of the ball or defend against you) and you choose to make a 'natural' looking dive to gain justice?? Fu.ck off you cheater!!!   

But you also want to make yourself feel better about cheating by going to each of the opposing players at the end of the game  and saying 'well played'.

Fu.ck off you arrogant cheater   

I'm not sure you understand what I'm saying, but I'm only going to say this one more time.

Fouls should result in free kicks.  This is my main point - IF I AM GENUINELY FOULED AND DON'T GO OVER I WON'T GET A FREE KICK - which is why Premiership managers tell their players to go over if they're fouled.  It is possible to be fouled, but not bad enough to be forced to the ground, e.g. shirt-tugging, hard kicks on your standing leg.

If I'm fouled and go over I'll get a free kick.  No-one has any injustice done to them and no-one complains...except you of course.

I'm pointing out the difference between cheating/diving and making sure you aren't fouled without getting the free kick you're entitled to.  I don't dive or cheat and don't approve of either, and can assure you I play in a fair and sporting way.

I know this won't satisfy you because so far you've been deliberately twisting my words in order to find something to argue with.  I'm sorry you feel so angry, perhaps you should read posts better before flying off the handle.

2520years wrote:

Lionheart wrote:

2520years wrote:

Lionheart wrote:

2520years wrote:I do it myself when I play.  If someone kicks my ankles and I can make it look 'natural' I'll go to ground...and I'll invariably get a free kick.  If I don't go to ground but shout for a foul the game goes on regardless.  I'm not diving, just using my experience in order to get justice (not an unfair advantage).

You ARE diving unless initial (illegal) contact, the FOUL, bought you to ground or the opposition gained an advantage from the contact. If it didn't and you go to ground...YOU ARE DIVING!!!

Experience?? cr.ap!!! Don't take football lessons son, take diving (acting) lessons that way you could get the opposing player sent off too!!! Cheating, is what it is.

I like the quote from Nat Lofthouse:

"In my day there were plenty of footballers who'd kick your off.  The difference was that at the end of the game they'd shake your hand and help you look for them.

Do you think they'd do today?? I suggest not.

1) I've never even got an opposing player booked, never mind sent off.
2) At the end of the game I go to the opponents one by one and say "Well Played", which is more than most people do.
3) I said "If someone kicks my ankles" I'll go down "to get justice" not an "unfair advantage".  So this will be if I AM fouled, but it might otherwise go unnoticed.

I don't see any problem with any of that.  From what I can tell I show more respect for others than someone who doesn't read people's posts properly then patronises them.

Oh, someone is feeling all defensive... 

If someone kicks my ankles and I can make it look 'natural' I'll go to ground

...that sounds like acting to me. THAT is cheating in my book...winning by deception. You are trying to deceive the referee into believing you were fouled rather than just ankle tapped. Football is a contact sport and not all contact is a foul, but your natural looking dive is trying to make the game into something it should never be...a game of cheaters making natural looking dives in hoping to gain an advantage.   

1) I've never even got an opposing player booked, never mind sent off.

If it's the last defender that kicks your ankles (while heading directly for goal) then it's a sending off offence. Maybe it's just lucky no one has been booked or sent off...or maybe you just can't make that dive look natural enough!!! 

2) At the end of the game I go to the opponents one by one and say "Well Played", which is more than most people do.

My hero!!!

3) I said "If someone kicks my ankles" I'll go down "to get justice" not an "unfair advantage".  So this will be if I AM fouled, but it might otherwise go unnoticed.

and where does the player that made contact with you get his justice for your 'natural' looking dive.

Look, if the opposing player kicks your legs out from under you and you go to ground, fair enough, foul committed, your free kick. But a player that kicks you in the ankle (in an honest attempt to gain control of the ball or defend against you) and you choose to make a 'natural' looking dive to gain justice?? Fu.ck off you cheater!!!   

But you also want to make yourself feel better about cheating by going to each of the opposing players at the end of the game  and saying 'well played'.

Fu.ck off you arrogant cheater   

I'm not sure you understand what I'm saying, but I'm only going to say this one more time.

Fouls should result in free kicks.  This is my main point - IF I AM GENUINELY FOULED AND DON'T GO OVER I WON'T GET A FREE KICK - which is why Premiership managers tell their players to go over if they're fouled.  It is possible to be fouled, but not bad enough to be forced to the ground, e.g. shirt-tugging, hard kicks on your standing leg.

If I'm fouled and go over I'll get a free kick.  No-one has any injustice done to them and no-one complains...except you of course.

I'm pointing out the difference between cheating/diving and making sure you aren't fouled without getting the free kick you're entitled to.  I don't dive or cheat and don't approve of either, and can assure you I play in a fair and sporting way.

I know this won't satisfy you because so far you've been deliberately twisting my words in order to find something to argue with.  I'm sorry you feel so angry, perhaps you should read posts better before flying off the handle.

Lionheart wrote:

Lionheart wrote:Fu.ck off you arrogant cheater   

The irony is hilarious...

harry_smiles wrote:I hate anyone who dives, cheats or in anyway lowers the image of the game. IMO u should get a 2 match ban for things like drogba does, and a one match ban for diving. That would stop them all pretty quick.

Like the Italian National Team.

mk4195421 wrote:

harry_smiles wrote:I hate anyone who dives, cheats or in anyway lowers the image of the game. IMO u should get a 2 match ban for things like drogba does, and a one match ban for diving. That would stop them all pretty quick.

Like the Italian National Team.

2520years wrote:Fouls should result in free kicks.  This is my main point - IF I AM GENUINELY FOULED AND DON'T GO OVER I WON'T GET A FREE KICK - which is why Premiership managers tell their players to go over if they're fouled.  It is possible to be fouled, but not bad enough to be forced to the ground, e.g. shirt-tugging, hard kicks on your standing leg.

Terry Henry should have gone to ground last night.  There's no use in complaining after losing that you didn't get free kicks.  Refs generally don't give free kicks unless you go to the floor.  It's not right, but that's the way it's been for years now.  It's even got to the stage where I think some referees see it as a sign that you're willing to play on if you don't go to ground.

He's one of the best players I've seen in my life, and he's always conducted himself with great dignity and grace in interviews, but last night he let himself down with his comments. I'd be happy to let it go because of his track record and it was a particularly emotional night for him, but I don't think UEFA will see his comments the same way.