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by **hobbes** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:08 am

When Maradona scored the goal against England. He cheated. At least thats what the English say if not the whole world.

Hand of God/ Hands of God. Whatever the title put to the act it was a hand ball. BBC has now signed a contract with Maradona to reveal his side of story about the incident.

I believe that was what Drogba tried and failed on last Sunday's Match against Fulham. Probably his act failed because it was devil's hand he used !!

Cheaters will never be accepted as heroes in toto. Drogba no matter how good he might be, he is a cheater. Cought in act several occasions. Earlier it was for simulation, pretending to have been injured and now deliberate hand ball. This evidences that he is at the place where he suits the most. Chelsea.

Does Moanrinho teaches them to cheat. ? Otherwise where on earth they get the idea and blessings from, I wonder. I wont be surprised especially when the manager himself tried all the tricks under his sleeves to win against Barcelona including not changing the pitch.

Cheating is different from strategy. Vast differents between them. If a player runs in to the D-box with the ball knowing very well he will be faouled by the Defender in the D-box so that he will get a penalty. It could be classified as a good play/ good run. He used his brain, manipulated the oppenent's reaction and won a penalty.

But if dives even before he is fouled he cheats. Drogba needs to master the differents.

Liverpool is a big club with reputation. Reputation doesn't come cheap. Its all hard work, the shields we won over the years and the raport we have with the fans when we start to play. When I say fan I mean football fan. Not Liverpool fan alone. Chelsea thinks by pumping in millions and buying player, they can overtake us.

Though I am a bit disgusted with Ciise's reaction against the Crowd during Newcastle's match its no where near with what Drogba did. What Ciise did was stupid. Likewise El Hadji Diof. Spitting towards the crowd.These are stupid reactions.

But cheating brings down the whole game. It would be like WWF then. Just because some players cheat, the whole tournament is not respected. Its treated as only an entertainment.

Football is not mere entertainment. Its a form of sport.

Drogba and the like are there thinking thery are in big clubs and there ought to win all the time. When they are loosing especially to a small relegation threatened clubs, they tend to cheat. They dont respect other clubs.Other players.

What disturbed me the most was, the very fact Moarinho admitted that it was a handball but questioned the reason for the refree making the decision. He challenged that refree/ :censored:

refree did not see the insident but rather gave the decision because of the pressure from Fulham players. For one how does he know whetehr the :censored:

refree did not see the incident. Just because he pretends to be blocked doesn't mean the :censored:

refree's view must also be blocked.

FIFA is combating against racism. Equal importants should be given to fair play. The offenders must be penalised. Drogba was not yellow carded at all.

But justice was done eventually, Chelsea lost the match. Cheaters do moan in the end.

by **babu** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:16 am

by **LFC #1** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:08 am

D-box? shields? WWF? form of sport?

Rubbish.

by **supersub** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:16 am

by **harry_smiles** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:14 pm

I hate anyone who dives, cheats or in anyway lowers the image of the game. IMO u should get a 2 match ban for things like drogba does, and a one match ban for diving. That would stop them all pretty quick.

by **AussieKopite** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 11:58 am

No player should ever dive. If someone like Gerrard dived (even though we know he wouldn't because he has ethics) I would be extremely disappointed, even disgucted. When Cisse put on his little performance at Newcastle, even though I wasn't calling for him to be sent off I was expecting it.

by **Lionheart** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:40 am

AussieKopite wrote:No player should ever dive. If someone like Gerrard dived (even though we know he wouldn't because he has ethics) I would be extremely disappointed, even disgucted. When Cisse put on his little performance at Newcastle, even though I wasn't calling for him to be sent off I was expecting it.

Gerrard dived in this morning's match against Bolton. Why he didn't just shoot is beyond me. I was not impressed.

by **bng89** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:08 am

Least Gerrard isnt like robben. I think robben is in the wrong sport, he should be in platform diving

by **dawson99** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 12:18 pm

but when owen dives for england he 'wins' a penalty.

one rule for english one for foreign?

by **2520years** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 12:31 pm

A potted history of diving...

Years ago some defending players realised that they could get away with nudging opponents to disturb their balance or control. The touch wouldn't be bad enough to constitute a foul, but would do the trick. This came to be known as good defending. The corresponding attacking players wanted free kicks because they felt this was unfair, but they got nowhere. Then, one fateful day (probably in Italy), an attacking player decided the only way he'd get a free kick would be to exaggerate the contact by becoming close friends with gravity and falling to the ground. Guess what - it worked! The referee actually fell for it. But this, for me, isn't actually the history of diving. Most managers will openly say that they advise their players to go down in and around the box, if they feel contact.

Diving is falling over when their is no contact, or deliberately making contact with a sprawling goalkeeper or defender with the express intention of simulating a foul. This is unfair, deceitful and disrespectful to opponents and fans alike. Arjen Robben does this and so do many others, including the squeaky-clean Michael Owen. However, I don't think Owen did this in the World Cup - I believe there was contact and he made the most of it.

by **LFC #1** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:05 am

That's the problem. Sometimes you have to go to ground in order to get a free kick when their was a foul. Contact can be minimal but it will be enough to knock you off the ball or whatever, and often a referee will only give a foul if you go to ground. Thats why it happens, and often it's hard to distinguish between a dive, and going to ground easily to win a free kick.

by **2520years** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:47 am

I do it myself when I play. If someone kicks my ankles and I can make it look 'natural' I'll go to ground...and I'll invariably get a free kick. If I don't go to ground but shout for a foul the game goes on regardless. I'm not diving, just using my experience in order to get justice (not an unfair advantage).

by **Lionheart** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:19 am

2520years wrote:I do it myself when I play. If someone kicks my ankles and I can make it look 'natural' I'll go to ground...and I'll invariably get a free kick. If I don't go to ground but shout for a foul the game goes on regardless. I'm not diving, just using my experience in order to get justice (not an unfair advantage).

You ARE diving unless initial (illegal) contact, the FOUL, bought you to ground or the opposition gained an advantage from the contact. If it didn't and you go to ground...YOU ARE DIVING!!!

Experience?? cr.ap!!! Don't take football lessons son, take diving (acting) lessons that way you could get the opposing player sent off too!!! Cheating, is what it is.

I like the quote from Nat Lofthouse:

"In my day there were plenty of footballers who'd kick your off. The difference was that at the end of the game they'd shake your hand and help you look for them.

Do you think they'd do today?? I suggest not.

by **2520years** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:33 am

Lionheart wrote:
2520years wrote:I do it myself when I play. If someone kicks my ankles and I can make it look 'natural' I'll go to ground...and I'll invariably get a free kick. If I don't go to ground but shout for a foul the game goes on regardless. I'm not diving, just using my experience in order to get justice (not an unfair advantage).

You ARE diving unless initial (illegal) contact, the FOUL, bought you to ground or the opposition gained an advantage from the contact. If it didn't and you go to ground...YOU ARE DIVING!!!

Experience?? cr.ap!!! Don't take football lessons son, take diving (acting) lessons that way you could get the opposing player sent off too!!! Cheating, is what it is.

I like the quote from Nat Lofthouse:
"In my day there were plenty of footballers who'd kick your off. The difference was that at the end of the game they'd shake your hand and help you look for them.

Do you think they'd do today?? I suggest not.

1) I've never even got an opposing player booked, never mind sent off.
2) At the end of the game I go to the opponents one by one and say "Well Played", which is more than most people do.
3) I said "If someone kicks my ankles" I'll go down "to get justice" not an "unfair advantage". So this will be if I AM fouled, but it might otherwise go unnoticed.

I don't see any problem with any of that. From what I can tell I show more respect for others than someone who doesn't read people's posts properly then patronises them.
:rasp

by **Lionheart** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:13 pm

2520years wrote:
Lionheart wrote:
2520years wrote:I do it myself when I play. If someone kicks my ankles and I can make it look 'natural' I'll go to ground...and I'll invariably get a free kick. If I don't go to ground but shout for a foul the game goes on regardless. I'm not diving, just using my experience in order to get justice (not an unfair advantage).

You ARE diving unless initial (illegal) contact, the FOUL, bought you to ground or the opposition gained an advantage from the contact. If it didn't and you go to ground...YOU ARE DIVING!!!

Experience?? cr.ap!!! Don't take football lessons son, take diving (acting) lessons that way you could get the opposing player sent off too!!! Cheating, is what it is.

I like the quote from Nat Lofthouse:
"In my day there were plenty of footballers who'd kick your off. The difference was that at the end of the game they'd shake your hand and help you look for them.

Do you think they'd do today?? I suggest not.

1) I've never even got an opposing player booked, never mind sent off.
2) At the end of the game I go to the opponents one by one and say "Well Played", which is more than most people do.
3) I said "If someone kicks my ankles" I'll go down "to get justice" not an "unfair advantage". So this will be if I AM fouled, but it might otherwise go unnoticed.

I don't see any problem with any of that. From what I can tell I show more respect for others than someone who doesn't read people's posts properly then patronises them.

Oh, someone is feeling all defensive... :;):

If someone kicks my ankles and I can make it look 'natural' I'll go to ground

...that sounds like acting to me. THAT is cheating in my book...winning by deception. You are trying to deceive the referee into believing you were fouled rather than just ankle tapped. Football is a contact sport and not all contact is a foul, but your natural looking dive is trying to make the game into something it should never be...a game of cheaters making natural looking dives in hoping to gain an advantage.

1) I've never even got an opposing player booked, never mind sent off.

If it's the last defender that kicks your ankles (while heading directly for goal) then it's a sending off offence. Maybe it's just lucky no one has been booked or sent off...or maybe you just can't make that dive look natural enough!!!

2) At the end of the game I go to the opponents one by one and say "Well Played", which is more than most people do.

My hero!!!

3) I said "If someone kicks my ankles" I'll go down "to get justice" not an "unfair advantage". So this will be if I AM fouled, but it might otherwise go unnoticed.

and where does the player that made contact with you get his justice for your 'natural' looking dive.

Look, if the opposing player kicks your legs out from under you and you go to ground, fair enough, foul committed, your free kick. But a player that kicks you in the ankle (in an honest attempt to gain control of the ball or defend against you) and you choose to make a 'natural' looking dive to gain justice?? Fu.ck off you cheater!!! :angry:

But you also want to make yourself feel better about cheating by going to each of the opposing players at the end of the game and saying 'well played'.

Fu.ck off you arrogant cheater :veryangry

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