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by **TheoRacle** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:14 am

I was about to say on another thread how dissapointed I was that we are still inundated with posters who feel the only contribution they can make is to jump on the bandwagon and slate whichever player is currently the target for in my view over exuberant and often invalid critisicm. However, I stopped short as I felt that a seperate thread was the more apt vehicle to suggest that these people although tiresome and annoying should really be pitied and their views understood within the appropriate context of the poster's own sense of self-worth.

I think the following excerpt from an article on bullies in the workplace describes several of the posters on this site (particlularly those widely believed to be wind up merchants from other sites) to a 'T'. Others, (including myself from time to time) have displayed one or two of the traits discussed and should perhaps take heed of our own shortcomings before making posts about players or posters that could be seen in this light.

What is bullying?
Bullying is persistent unwelcome behaviour, mostly using unwarranted or invalid criticism, nit-picking, fault-finding, also exclusion, isolation, being singled out and treated differently, being shouted at, humiliated, excessive monitoring, having verbal and written warnings imposed, and much more.
Why do people bully?
The purpose of bullying is to hide inadequacy. Bullying has nothing to do with managing etc; good managers manage, bad managers bully. Management is managing; bullying is not managing. Therefore, anyone who chooses to bully is admitting their inadequacy, and the extent to which a person bullies is a measure of their inadequacy. Bullies project their inadequacy on to others:

a) to avoid facing up to their inadequacy and doing something about it;
b) to avoid accepting responsibility for their behaviour and the effect it has on others, and,
c) to reduce their fear of being seen for what they are, namely a weak, inadequate and often incompetent individuals, and,
d) to divert attention away from their inadequacy - in an insecure or badly-managed workplace, this is how inadequate, incompetent and aggressive employees keep their jobs.

A bully is a person who
has never learnt to accept responsibility for their behaviour
wants to enjoy the benefits of living in the adult world, but who is unable and unwilling to accept the responsibilities that are a prerequisite for being part of the adult world.
abdicates and denies responsibility for their behaviour and its consequences (abdication and denial are common features of bullying)
is unable and unwilling to recognise the effect of their behaviour on others
does not want to know of any other way of behaving
is unwilling to recognise that there could be better ways of behaving.
Bullying is obsessive and compulsive; the serial bully has to have someone to bully and appears to be unable to survive without a current target.

Despite the facade that such people put up, bullies have low self-confidence and low self-esteem, and thus feel insecure. Low self-esteem is a factor highlighted by all studies of bullying. Because such people are inadequate and unable to fulfil the duties and obligations of their position (but have no hesitation in accepting salary), they fear being revealed. This fear of exposure often borders on paranoia.

Bullies are seething with resentment, bitterness, hatred and anger, and often have wide-ranging prejudices as a vehicle for dumping their anger onto others. Bullies are driven by jealousy and envy. Rejection (which cannot be assuaged) is another powerful motivator of bullying.

Bullies are people who have not learned the lesson of consequences, ie that if they behave well there are good consequences (reward), but if they behave badly there are bad consequences (restriction, sanction, punishment, etc). Since childhood, bullies have learnt that they can avoid the unpleasant consequences of bad behaviour through the instinctive response of denial, blame, and feigning victimhood.

Any one who's interested can read the full article
here.

That should set the cat amongst the pigeons...

by **Lando_Griffin** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:10 am

Yes - I see your point matey.

But Traore is sh*te!!!!!!

by **TheoRacle** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:54 am

by **babu** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:10 am

Who the hell gave you the right to lecture me? or even to try to educate me?? I come on here to read about LFC, not to learn how to be a better person. shish!!

Just give me some stats TheoRacle.....

.. Just jokes mate nice article.

by **laza** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:50 am

Every panto needs a villian
And Kewell is no longer available (or more correctly not available at the moment) so they have to trial a few new ones out

by **66-1120597113** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:17 am

What da feck??
Are you being bullied at work mate?

What has that got do with Traore,Nando etc. not being good enough for LFC? :cool:

by **Woollyback** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:47 am

kinda confusing this thread

by **Paul C** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:54 am

I give my opinion, nothing to do with jumping on a bandwagon, if I think someone isn't good enough I'll say it, f*ck what anyone else thinks!

by **redmikey** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:57 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:Yes - I see your point matey.

But Traore is sh*te!!!!!!

i bet you feel sorry for sadam hussain as well theorcle?

some people deserve to be commented on in a poor light as this would be the gayest forum in the world, if we were all nice to each other. and i would miss lando's rant's

and it is not like traore is a member,

but if you are .... your sh'ite, please sign for everton for 10 mill :idea

by **JBG** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:21 pm

As Woollyback so diligently observed, did Kindaconfused not say he was writing a book on internet bullying?

by **laza** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:46 pm

Think its bad here, imagine what Toon forums a like for supporters of Boumsong at the moment

by **redmikey** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:48 pm

we should go on there and support the poor lad, i think he is a great player,

how did GH let him slip though the net

by **2520years** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:58 pm

Let's get TheOracle after school!
:angry:

by **dawson99** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:15 pm

heres a little tip thoracle :laugh:

by **TheoRacle** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:40 am

Some people may be missing the point here. I have no beef with those of us who are capable of positing valid and balanced opinions (including criticisms) of specific players on the forums. As Redmikey points out, this would be a very drab place if we all spent our time patting each other on the back and congratulating the players for superb performances everyday when clearly that is not always the case. However just as such a forum of incessant congratulations for players who do do not deserve it would be quite ridiculous - so too IMO, is constant and over the top slagging off of players much of which is clearly exaggerated and full of (love this word) hyperbole.

The main point of my post was to have a go at those people who ONLY post negatively about the team or more often specific players (and usually) the same players over and over again. It is these people who are displaying IMHO, a great deal of insecurity, lack of knowledge, paranoia, bitterness and anger. These guys are the 'weak' people who cannot get by in life without a scapegoat to blame for all of their own personal problems. Some of them are of course pure wind up merchants but some are indeed 'real' fans of LFC - just ones with 'problems' shall we say....

Oh and Dawson, thanks for the 'tip' (as the prostitute said to the leper) :laugh:

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