Liverpool FC Forum

by Lionheart » Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:07 pm

I think we have to be careful. Although the originally quoted article does give the impression of being 'straight talking' 'honest & forthright', etc. it doesn't give the full scope of the Australia government (under the Liberal/National Party Coalition under the leadership of PM John Howard {the eqivalent of Britain's Tory Party}) and their belief systems toward people from non-western nations.

Australia has been condemned by the UN for the way in which it treats it's refugees (or those awaiting refugee status). Entire families are locked up for many years (5-7 years) in one of Australia's 7 mainland and 4 offshore detention centres. This has lead to horrific psychological and emothional trauma to people who, in many cases, are fleeing war torn countries, so they can make a better life for their families. These people know only one type of lifestyle. That which is familiar  to them. In such high stress situations as 'mandatory detention', wouldn't you wish to revert to what is familiar and safe??

It's all very well to say if they don't integrate into Australian society then they should go back to where they came from. In many cases this accusation is being levelled at people who are born in Australia  but who look Arab, Asian, etc.

What we need is TOLERANCE. I have a Sudanese family living next to me and they are just delightful. Quiet, peaceful, softly spoken, polite, willing to out of their way to help you. Across the road there is an Australian family of absolute knob heads!!! If I go out, I lock up tight because I feel under threat from these Aussies. Which do I want to leave?? It's not the Sudanese family.

Conform to the Australian way of life?? Now there is one hell of a debate. What is a typical Australian??

Shane Warne: Cricket hero, blonde haired sporting guru. Slayer of Pommie batsman?? Or maybe a womanising, cheating 'man whore' who can't keep his todger in his pants, which has now destroyed his beautiful wife & family. Great cricketer, moronic man!!

Wayne Carey: Aussie Rules (footballing) dynamo, Captain Marvel, family man. OR maybe, the bloke who rooted his best mates wife.

So what is the typical Aussie way of life??

No people, it should be about 'Live and Let Live'. We don't need to kick people out of this country simply because they don't get pi$$ed every Saturday night, smack the Missus about a bit, eat meat pies by the truck load and drive Holden cars. If that was the way we were supposed to be then we would never have such delights as a Kebab, curry, fried rice, souvlaki  or a pizza...and what a boring place that would be.

I love the fact that Australia is diverse & I would love nothing better than celebrating that diversity. I want to share this great country with all the people who want to come here and try to make a go of it. But we all need to respect each other's difference...I might not understand why Habib requires his wife to cover her face but that's not any of my business and as long as he isn't breaking any human rights laws (not local laws thanks as too many have discriminatory undertones!!!), then I can accept that. Let's all work together to make this nation even greater.

It's about respect and tolerance.   

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by Roger Red Hat » Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:20 pm

I must admit, I wish we were a bit more like the aussies.....              Quality.................

by Lionheart » Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:23 pm

[quote="Lee J"]I must admit, I wish we were a bit more like the aussies.....              Quality.................

I'm an Aussie and I don't think this way...in fact the morons that would post this stuff are a small minority 'red neck' faction. Thankfully they just disappear or are drowned out by fair minded individuals.

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by Roger Red Hat » Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:36 pm

ooooooooo get you.

by dawson99 » Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:41 pm

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by 2520years » Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:42 pm

Hey, you've inspired me to write this, what do you think?  I reckon it's got potential...

"Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...

You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one."

My earliest memory.

by woof woof ! » Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:16 pm

Lionheart wrote:It's about respect and tolerance.   

"Respect and Tolerance" ?

You mean like this ?

Police fail to stop attack on female journalist during anti-cartoons demonstration

Reporters Without Borders said today it was shocked at the failure of Turkish police to prevent an attack on a woman reporter, Aliye Cetinkaya, of the daily paper Sabah (The Morning), during a protest against publication of cartoons of Mohammed in the European press.

A group of 30 men broke away from the demonstration, on 10 February in the city of Konya, and attacked the journalist, accusing her of not having her head covered, of wearing trousers and chewing gum. They threw shoes and stones at her and called her a “slut.”

Police surrounding the demonstration did not help her and she had to be rescued by colleagues.



or this
COPENHAGEN — This diminutive nation with an offbeat sense of humor and a strong self-image of cultural tolerance is not accustomed to having its flag burned, embassies stormed and coat of arms pelted with eggs.

But Denmark has become a target for the Muslim world's outrage at cartoons lampooning the prophet Muhammad.
The scope and intensity of the violence ignited by the caricatures, first printed in September by the country's right-leaning Jyllands-Posten newspaper and reprinted more recently in other Western publications, have left this country bewildered.

"A lot of Danes have problems understanding what is going on and why people in those countries reacted this way," said Morton Rixen, a philosophy student, looking out his window at a city awhirl in angst and snow. "We're used to seeing American flags and pictures of George Bush being burned, but we've always seen ourselves as a more tolerant nation. We're in shock to now be in the center of this."

by dawson99 » Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:18 pm

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by Roger Red Hat » Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:48 pm

brainless numpties

by woof woof ! » Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:01 pm

Be fair lads , they're the "tolerant" minority who live round the corner from our mate Lionheart . I don't think he's met them yet . 

by Lionheart » Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:55 am

No, I was thinking more along the lines of:

How to Build Good Human Relationships

Some Do’s …

    * Do what is right, not what is easiest
    * Do learn about other cultures, history and habits before judging;
    * Do ensure both sides have equal say;
    * Do respect differences of opinions;
    * Do listen when others try to explain
    * Do understand that you can be wrong, too;
    * Do try to understand and be appreciative;
    * Do take responsibility for your action or inaction;
    * Do ask questions, but politely;
    * Do remember others have feelings too;

Some Don’ts …

    * Don’t act in anger, take time out;
    * Don’t interrupt when others try to explain
    * Don’t patronize, show respect;
    * Don’t look down on others, be level;
    * Don’t be judgmental, be fair;
    * Don’t ridicule differing beliefs and attitudes
    * Don’t dominate, try to accommodate;
    * Don’t ignore diversity, try to understand it;
    * Don’t be insulting, be appreciative;
    * Don’t divide people, integrate them.

It's easy to lay blame as our friend Woof is so wont to do. It's far harder to take some responsibilty as lead from the front. 

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by laza » Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:16 am

by Woollyback » Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:01 am

without immigration there would be no such person as half english/half tanzanian thandie newton

Q.E.D. immigration ROCKS


i do however agree with the sentiment of this aussie dude, if you want to move to a country to better yourself and make a positive contribution to society then that's to be encouraged, britain would be a right sh!thole without the chinese, turks, indians, irish etc. and if it wasn't for those bloody aussies who the hell would serve you your beer in london pubs!? but if you wanna move to a country purely to better yourself but live in an isolationist ghetto and make no attempt to interact with the locals then you can f*ck right off. if these people are so intent on living in a muslim state then why the f*ck did they just emigrate from one???

as for all the stupid stories of political correctness gone mad, the most annoying thing is the patronising way that a bunch of white islington champagne socialists deem something to be offensive to somebody else. i'd be surprised if any muslim has ever been offended by a f*ckin christmas tree or any black kid at school has been offended by a baa baa black sheep nursery rhyme, but some guardian-reading c.unt at the local council has stirred up some sh!t and made a big issue about a problem which doesn't even exist. the daft thing is, these PC stories end up stirring up resentment from a lot of white middle class daily mail reading mongs leading to more abuse for the muslim/black/indian people who the new rule was meant to protect in the first place

as for immigrants they should have to meet 3 criteria when they arrive in dover:
1)speak english (then go to newcastle and teach the locals how)
2)bring some flange (too many inbred cousin-shagging monstrosities coming from pakistan etc with their six fingers and wonky teeth)
3) bring a coat, it rains a lot here

by woof woof ! » Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:34 am

Lionheart wrote:It's easy to lay blame as our friend Woof is so wont to do.

It's not that easy sunbeam , have to contend with the middle class every step of the way .

by JBG » Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:45 am