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by **woof woof !** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:30 am

Was sent the following transcript and couldn't help but once again admire the straight forward attitude of Australian politicians .

Three Cheers for Australia!

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesdayto get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.
A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown.
Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard,hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state and its laws were made by parliament.
"If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you," he said on national television.
"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia, one the Australian law and another the Islamic law, that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law,independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then,that's a better option,"Costello said. Asked whether he meant radical clerics should be forced to leave, he said "those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country.

Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off"."Basically, people who don't want to be Australians, and they don't want to live by Australian values and understand them, well then they can basically clear off," he said.Separately,Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.

After Sydney not wanting to offend other cultures by putting up
Christmas lights.
After hearing that the State of South Australia changed its opinion and let a Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's license with her face covered. This prompted this editorial published in an Australian newspaper.
Quote:
IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.
However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the
"politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration,nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia.However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Australians,we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle.This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles,trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom. We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish,Lebanese,Arabic,Chinese,Japanese,
Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part ofour society, Learn the language! Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing,political push but a fact because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented.It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools.If
God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, Because God is part of our culture.We will accept your beliefs and will not question why, all we ask is that you accept ours and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like " A Fair Go",then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means keep your culture but do not force it on others.This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this.But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag,Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, "THE RIGHT TO LEAVE".

Maybe (unlike me) you don't agree with the tone or sentiment expressed in that article but I find the "tell it as we see it" attitude a refreshing change from the mealy mouthed wishy washy politics we are fed here in the uk .

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:09 am

Its exacty as it should be. If a government allows a minority to affect the way of life for the majority, it can only lead to unrest - such as what we see in certain areas of britain.

We are far too accomadating to extremists or extreme views. The fact of the matter is if we went to a muslim country and insisted on western law as opposed to sharia law, then we'd have a bounty over our heads.

I'm by no means racist in any way but if a small number of muslims don't like the UK, f.cuk off then. I have no time for people who call the UK their home but go about telling everyone how bad it is.

by **woof woof !** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:22 am

Wasn't aiming this at the muslim community Shanks ,although they are they focus of the article . My interest was more in the difference between Aussie attitudes (plain speaking) compared with the limp position often taken in this country on any number of issue's , be it terrorism , asylum seekers , french farmers or muggers rights !

by **Judge** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:53 am

i draw the line at french farmers rights !!

by **Woollyback** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:01 pm

you can always rely on a bunch of convicts to tell it like it is

by **JBG** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:39 pm

I again applaud the attitude of the Australians and I condemn anybody who claims that the above is "racist".

The word racist and discrimination gets bandied about too easily nowadays.

Australians, like every other country, have a duty to respect visitors and emmigrants to its country and protect their basic human rights. There should be tolerance and understanding. However, it goes both ways. Visitors and emmigrants to a country should respect that country's laws and culture.

As an analogy, if I were a heavy smoker I wouldn't go into a stranger's house who didn't smoke and light up a big fat cigar on their sofa. Maybe an arrangement could be made where the house owner might allow me to have a smoke in his back garden, but so long as I respected his rules of the house. The same goes for immigrants and minority cultures. Muslims, for example, should be allowed to build mosques and worship in peace but if they law of the country they live in saw that all photos in a drivers licence must be of people wearing no head gear or scarves, then they should bloody well comply with that law.

By the same token if I went to Saudi and starting selling bottles of Guinness and copies of Hustler on the street I could hardly complain if they relieved me of a limb.

by **AlanHansen** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:51 pm

All the more ironic given that Aussies are a bunch of Immigrants themselves, and as the recent race riots show a far from healthy attitude to foreigners, the day we take our ideas from them will be a bad one.

"Maybe (unlike me) you don't agree with the tone or sentiment expressed in that article but I find the "tell it as we see it" attitude a refreshing change from the mealy mouthed wishy washy politics we are fed here in the uk ." If you want to "Tell it like it is" then by all means do, I live and work surrounded by muslims, none of whom wear the veil or practise sharia.

by **Judge** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:18 pm

AlanHansen wrote:All the more ironic given that Aussies are a bunch of Immigrant criminals themselves

is this what you really mean?? :wwww

i await the backlash from aussiekopite, laza and lionheart

by **babu** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:34 pm

you won't get any backlash from me. I am half australian half malaysian. I lived in aus for 16 years and i hold two passports, now living in malaysia. oh yeah i'm muslim.

People claim australia is a very hard country to immigrate too, that they have a tough immigration policy. thats true, but its nothing compared to Malaysia's policy, its very hard to immigrate here. My mum has lived in Malaysia for over 36 years and yet is not recognised as a citizen becuase she won't give up her aus passport.

I realise this is off topic, sorry.

by **woof woof !** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:44 pm

AlanHansen wrote:" If you want to "Tell it like it is" then by all means do, I live and work surrounded by muslims, none of whom wear the veil or practise sharia.

Hurray for you sunbeam .I don't think any right minded person in here would assume that all muslims are zealots . Living in London however you get to see it all

"Telling it as we see it" and "Telling it like it is " btw are two different concepts the former suggests an opinion from one particular perspective whilst the latter seemingly attempts to deny or even consider any view other than that of the author (a bit like Sharia law I suppose . lol )

My original post merely quoted Australian official attitude to a minority who may wish to usurp Australian law and choose instead to live by their own code . I then went on to comment on the difference between official aussie reaction compared to that in the uk ,which I consider to be weak willed and not just on the issue of muslim fanatics .

by **Big Niall** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:21 pm

I agree with the principle of if an aborigine in Australia doesn't want to accept Australian law then why should they change when they have more right to the land than anyone else.

As most people on this site are white and english speakers they'll probably think the above is "PC". I don't know enough about internal Aussie politics but I do know the aborigines have a tougher life than the "anglo" aussies. Same goes for native americans in USA.

Other than exceptions such as those, people who live by the "old country" values should be moved on if they contradict the law of the host nation. In America now, people say "happy holiday" at christmas incase the word Christmas offends - how rubbish is that?

by **AlanHansen** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:43 pm

woof woof ! wrote:My original post merely quoted Australian official attitude to a minority who may wish to usurp Australian law and choose instead to live by their own code . I then went on to comment on the difference between official aussie reaction compared to that in the uk ,which I consider to be weak willed and not just on the issue of muslim fanatics .

Don't worry mate, plenty of idiots down here and all.

Do you not agree with the views in the Article then?. Cos this bit makes it sound like you do:

Maybe (unlike me) you don't agree with the tone or sentiment expressed in that article.

by **78-1141594967** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:21 pm

Good on the Aussie Government although I dont trust people who play footy like this:

by **Woollyback** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:22 pm

JBG wrote:I again applaud the attitude of the Australians and I condemn anybody who claims that the above is "racist".

The word racist and discrimination gets bandied about too easily nowadays.

Australians, like every other country, have a duty to respect visitors and emmigrants to its country and protect their basic human rights. There should be tolerance and understanding. However, it goes both ways. Visitors and emmigrants to a country should respect that country's laws and culture.

As an analogy, if I were a heavy smoker I wouldn't go into a stranger's house who didn't smoke and light up a big fat cigar on their sofa. Maybe an arrangement could be made where the house owner might allow me to have a smoke in his back garden, but so long as I respected his rules of the house. The same goes for immigrants and minority cultures. Muslims, for example, should be allowed to build mosques and worship in peace but if they law of the country they live in saw that all photos in a drivers licence must be of people wearing no head gear or scarves, then they should bloody well comply with that law.

By the same token if I went to Saudi and starting selling bottles of Guinness and copies of Hustler on the street I could hardly complain if they relieved me of a limb.

what if all the birds in hustler had scarves over their faces?

by **Woollyback** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:36 pm

here's some more political correctness to make your blood boil

yahoo article

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