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by **Mikz** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 7:53 pm

Command and Conquer for me. Its the bizz and i cant wait for the new one with all the games on one disc.
I wish theyd make an editable one. Instead of Russia and U.s troops we could have orangemen v Garvaghy road residents,one orange disc and one green

by **Paul C** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 12:30 am

RAFABENITEZ wrote:anyone ever play streets of rage? early 90s, my god what enjoyment, a four year old learning how to beat the shit out of people

Yeah both Streets of Rage and Streets of Rage 2 were mint, I was a Nintendo fan but their were some class Sega games.

by **Sabre** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:25 am

When it comes to Nintendo, the Metroid saga is my fav, although I haven't seen the N64 one.

by **Paul C** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:57 pm

Sabre wrote:When it comes to Nintendo, the Metroid saga is my fav, although I haven't seen the N64 one.

Great games their Sabre, my fav Nintendo games are the Mario series, Punch out series, Zombies ate my neighbours, Castelvania, duck hunt, mario kart, etc :cool:

by **The Ace1983** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:08 am

neil wrote:oh dear, its that 'them and us mentality' from The Ace. Don't be afraid of Microsoft, at least they're western.

anyhow

http://play.com/play247....a=genna

for my xbox360

It's not a them and us stance at all. I just think that Sony and Ninty are better at consoles, better at games and better at actually delivering what people want. The X360 is nice, but it's nothing to cream your pants over. The prolem is always going to be titles. Other than Halo, arguably one of the best games ever, Microsoft lack major franchises. There is a reason why some titles become major franchises and that's because they are brilliant games. Playstation haven't been in this game long and they've got quite a few now and Nintendo have tons of them. When was the last time anyone played a bad Gran Turismo or a sub-standard Metroid?

The Microsoft brand will always look to PC developers to create PC games for consoles which only PC game fans will really rave about, because finally console players won't give them funny looks whenever a gaming conversation starts up. And all this after they'd stolen Rare away from Ninty (what a Diouf move that turned out to be). There's nothing wrong with this, and Microsoft found a vast audience, but when it's weighed up against the other two console developers, it doesn't really square up. It probably all started when they decided that the original X-box should be the size of a coffee table and have the most unfriendly controller in the world.

And their new biggest mistake was releasing it first. It's going to be a dreamcast all over again. I guarentee that the first two people to buy X360s were Sony and Nintendo. They will have already devised a thousand and one ways for their machines to out-perform it, out inovate it, out game it and out sell it.

And what's so good about it being Western? Didn't the West come up with Mario, rumble paks, shoulder buttons, Metroid, polygons instead of pixels, 3D games, cell-shading, the ability to have games running at over 120 fps, Zelda, Donkey-kong, companies like Namco, Konami, Nintendo, Sony, analogue buttons, and basically every major gaming innovation for the last... well, since console gaming began? Oh, wait, no. I do believe it was the East. The West, pfft...

by **JBG** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:54 am

The Ace1983 wrote:And their new biggest mistake was releasing it first. It's going to be a dreamcast all over again. I guarentee that the first two people to buy X360s were Sony and Nintendo. They will have already devised a thousand and one ways for their machines to out-perform it, out inovate it, out game it and out sell it.

The Revolution will have no where near the power of a 360 or Playstation 3, but that isn't the point. Nintendo are looking for a niche market.

Its been widely reported that Sony's Playstation 3 is currently experiencing a lot of difficulty and the consensus is that Sony's new machine will not be greatly superior technically than the 360.

There are also rumours that the European release date has been pushed back to spring 2007.

by **neil** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:18 am

How do like the size of them apples.

Also while I'm here, Rare; conker & ghoulies were :censored:

, PDZ(currently playing) is very very enjoyable.
Project Gotham Racing is the most enjoyable racer since wipeout.
Yes Halo is the BEST fps ever(I've played them all)
Online console play was brought to us by the xbox and I love it.
I use to have a playstation and then I grew up.

by **The Ace1983** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:46 am

neil wrote:How do like the size of them apples.

Also while I'm here, Rare; conker & ghoulies were , PDZ(currently playing) is very very enjoyable.
Project Gotham Racing is the most enjoyable racer since wipeout.
Yes Halo is the BEST fps ever(I've played them all)
Online console play was brought to us by the xbox and I love it.
I use to have a playstation and then I grew up.

Not wishing to sound picky, but Online Gaming first started in Japan with the Nintendo 64DD. It was devised to allow school children to talk about their homework for about 3 hours every week day, but developers quickly started making games for it. And besides, Nintendo were the first to offer worldwide online gaming with their PSO games. And anyway, more people use Sony's online service than Microsoft's.

And come on. The games that Rare have done aren't exactly best sellers are they. You'd think that after DK Country and,... what was it's name... erm... oh, yeah GOLDENEYE they'd do a little better.

And JBG, You can hardly call half of Japan a niche market. let's not forget what happened to the xbox in the East. Europe was the only market in the world (and maybe Australlia) where the NGC was beaten officially by the XBOX (even though UK sales figures are permanently being tampered with and haven't meant anything since the SNES went up against the MegaDrive). The thing is that Japanese gaming companies, particularly Ninty, want true innovation in all their games. If the X360 was truely going to be super successful, we'd all be talking about... well,... one of the games.

All I'm saying is that I think, unless some major franchises and some major developers jump ship from Sony and Ninty and start developing games exclusivly for Microsoft, the X360 will go down in the annals of gaming history as a big shiny Atari Jaguar.

by **neil** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:04 am

The Ace1983 wrote:but Online Gaming first started in Japan with the Nintendo 64DD. It was devised to allow school children to talk about their homework for about 3 hours every week day......

......All I'm saying is that I think, unless some major franchises and some major developers jump ship from Sony and Ninty and start developing games exclusivly for Microsoft, the X360 will go down in the annals of gaming history as a big shiny Atari Jaguar.

Firstly, thats hardly bringing online gaming to me is it?
Secondly, you sound like you have your fingers crossed.

I have alot of time for games and people who play them though I dont like pc gamer snobbery and the playstation crowds("but I dont want to learn to use a different controller") inability to grasp the nettle and see what the rest of the worlds upto,and this "Yakimatinoto is god" my :censored:

,whats next? Mario takes a dump? then go-kart races it down the sewage works?!

by **JBG** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:06 pm

Good debate here on really nerdy stuff. :laugh:

Ace is right in suggesting that the 360 could be in danger of becoming the new Atari Jaguar or Dreamcast. Well, the Jaquar is a bad example as it completely flopped and Atari were a tiny company compared to Microsoft.

It could be the new Dreamcast, though. However, I'm confident it will succeed. Microsoft will have learned a lot of lessons from the Xbox 1, which was a very good machine but let down by a lack of big name games.

I don't that will happen this time around and Sony could be in trouble. Both the PS3 and 360 have been massively overhyped (they are very good but top level PCs have already surpassed the 360), the PS3 in particular. The PS3 will be based on a GPU similar to Nvidia's up and coming G7900, which is rumoured to have disappointed Far Eastern card manufucaturers in that it is not any better than ATIs XT 1900 XTX, which is similar in terms of performance to what is in the Xbox 360.

Both machines have cell multicore processors which are said to have massively disappointed games developers.

It all looks like that from a technical point of view, the PS3 will be no better than the 360 but the 360 has got to the market early while Sony have all sorts of problems with the PS3 (it was supposed to be released in Japan at this stage).

Sony is the market leader and people will buy the PS3 because it is a Playstation, but I think Microsoft will make major inroads into Sony's dominance with this round.

Unfortunately the Revolution is in danger of becoming a gimic with is wierd controller and is becoming more and more marginalised outside of Japan, which is a pity, as Nintendo are superb are delivering quality games. If the Revolution fails there is a danger that Nintendo will go the way of Sega.

by **neil** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:03 pm

......and I forgot to mention Ninja Gaiden, Panzer Dragoon Orca, Rainbow 6 & the initial Splinter Cell game. What was the PS2 flagship title? I'll tell you, it was a game totally ripped from Driver2, a game that started life as a 2d birdseye view of a pixel running from phone box to car, trailblaizing stuff from the creators of Grand Theft Auto.
Grand Turismo? :ghostface:

10 years old. The only innotive release I can think of was Ico which was a complete financial disaster. I've never liked Japanese games(apart from the 1st Ape Escape on the playstation), all big eyes and bouncy balls (mind numbing), somewhat creepy detail toboot.
And the only reason Sony have more online gamers is because they have sold about 20 times the consoles that Microsoft have shifted. The xbox console to online player ratio is much higher than the playstation. You got me started.

by **The Ace1983** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:19 pm

I don't think we have to worry about Ninty doing a Sega. The DS and the Gameboy are still massive, The franchises like Mario, Zelda, Metroid and all the rest will always sell, The Rev may wel rejuvinate the entire market (and the wierd controllers aren't compulsary) and there wil always be enough interest in the big N in the US and Japan to warrent it's survival. Nintendo has been around since the 1880s when they made gaming cards and they have survived things much more serious than slight un-interest (including an atomic bomb).

And what's more, the future is secured thanks to the big boys at Nintendo and their exclusive upcoming venture with Nasa.

I'm not saying that the X360 will fail, but I reitterate my belief that it was bad business sense from Microsoft to try and get the jump on S & N. When the Rev and the PS3 come out, the press concerning them will be huge with innovative or big name games flying out left, right and centre for a number of months. I can really see the X360 getting swamped under the competition and with a new Halo game as the only real weapon in Microsoft's arsenal, they will have problems. What's Halo going to achieve if it's released pre-christmas with the likes of Residet Evil, MGS, Mario, Metroid and Zelda. Hell, even the Zelda game being finished for the NGC has been voted not only the most anticipated game ever, but quite unusually, it even got nominated as one of the best games ever and we haven't even had more than a teaser trailer.

And Neil, you know that if Nintendo did do a game involving sewer racing, they'd make a bloody good show of it. It would be called something like "Super Mario Bros. and the mystery of the dirty tunnels".

by **Paul C** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:31 pm

Gotta say I agree with Neil, I used to have a GC & PS2 but sold them for an Xbox and now have a 360, I love Nintendo to bits and respect them for the history they given us, I find the PS2 very boring, the way I look at it PS2 owners are sheep and just buy what other people have got, it's the same as the Mac and PC arguement and I'm a Mac user :;):

by **The Ace1983** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:42 pm

Paul C wrote:Gotta say I agree with Neil, I used to have a GC & PS2 but sold them for an Xbox and now have a 360, I love Nintendo to bits and respect them for the history they given us, I find the PS2 very boring, the way I look at it PS2 owners are sheep and just buy what other people have got, it's the same as the Mac and PC arguement and I'm a Mac user

Bloody Snobby Mac users!

Only joking. I know what you mean about PS games being, in the majority, :censored:

(which all got ported to the x-box anyway). But they dismiss all that with the big name games which (and I hate saying this) are what the general public want. GTA, MGS, GT and the rest sell, sell and sell. Sony give people what they want and I respect Nintendo and Microsoft for targeting the fringes of the market.

I had the three machines as well and the NGC is my favourite because it wasn't afraid to try new things, and because it was Nintendo, they worked. There is nothing quite like coming back from a club at 3 am and seeing 4 of your mates, drunk as lords banging bongos and making fools of themselves. If I ever turned my x-box on, I played Halo. As far as PC games go, I only ever really got into Sim City, Dungeon keeper and Champ. Man. so that's probably why I never got on well with the box.

by **Paul C** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:22 pm

PS2 used to be the console with the major titles but now the only decent exclusive games are GT and Tekken but Microsoft has it's answer with Forza and DOA4, it's personally preference but I prefer the Xbox because of Xbox Live, playing against the computer bores me

I could go on forever as I used to argue with the mate about this, by the way he's hardcore Playstation and bought a 360 last week :;):

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