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by **dum1** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:26 am

I had always thought Liverpool will do no better than mid table and this looks like what's going to happen to them.
The European was a one off where a good side played spectacularly with all the players punching well above their weight and as such generally is not repeated during the life cycle of the team.

Of the forwards Morientes looks slow and Cisse looks the sharpest of the lot and last season I thought he wasn't that good so compared to the others at present he now looks brilliant.

Liverpool are playing terrible and I can't help but think that Raf has lost the plot and there is so much trouble in the camp. Imagine how Cisse feels being the best chance of scoring for the team and Raf plays him on the right wing crossing to Morientes to squander his crosses. As for Crouch well that just about sums up Raf to me.

Morientes is automatic choice and why is this, what indication has he shown that he deserves to be treated this way when others who have been more successful are left out.

The postings on the forum have suggested give it a season or 2 but I think they miss the point, the club if it is to maintain its position as a threat to the league can't afford a couple of seasons in the doldrums while it pulls itself together, it needs Europe and it needs the money. The longer they are out of Europe the gap gets greater and it will soon be unbridgeable.

After all if we don't have money now then as we spend time in the doldrums then there will be less and it just gets harder.

After all wasn't it Alan Hansen who said that we won the European in spite of Raf and I have to say I agree with him and we kicked Houlier out for finishing 4th and there is absolutely no way we are going to finish higher than this so were does that leave us. Without European football we will slide even further.

I've been a LFC for nearly many years and it sad to see their decline, we need to get some goalscorers immediately and we need to start questioning the decisions of Raf and get some balanced judgement . Raf seems a good manager to get the odd nugget who can play well but is he the man to buy real stars who can score goals for us such as Ferguson.

We have a good defence and mid-field but we do need some goalscorers and even don't forget Raf has said we don't need and new forwards which I'm assuming is tongue in cheek otherwise we are in worst trouble than we think.

by **115-1073096938** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 3:07 pm

Go away Hustler. No-one will ever take you seriously you sad little boy.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 3:18 pm

To suggest the CL win was despite Rafa's management is ridiculous. I suppose the players decided on the tactics? You really are "dum".
This is a prime example of the retarded behaviour sweeping this forum.

Dum1: Once you've finished trying to eat a hamburger through your nose, please go to my "Imbeciles" thread. Much info can be found for you therein.

by **REDTILLDEAD** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 3:32 pm

Reality can hurt...but the league positions dont lie!. Unless rafa gets a settled side, and sticks with it then we might see some improvement, but while he keeps swapping and chopping we aint gonna see many goals coming our way. our display at fullham was unexceptable and a disgrace, the excuses have got to stop, we have only papered over the cracks since winning the CL in some ways the team was stronger, and more settled in the run up to that final. LFC it has to be said have not progressed since that great win, and missed the opportunity to bring ourselves up to being serious contenders for the prem title. We "missed the boat" when we left it far too late in signing class players which should have been undertaken straight after the final? Sorry to have to say this but we are fast becoming an average team, and unless we invest big in january and get rid of the "journey men" then we will be resigned to being also rans?...and that my friends whether you like it or not is REALITY!. :down:

by **dum1** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:17 pm

Redtildead

I think the reference to Raf's mistake in Turkey was the inclusion of Kewell which was a real stonker, and as for the tactics that was mainly led by SG.

For me Raf does not understand the English market, hence the gaf with Crouch.

Again Parry should be overseeing Raf and guiding him or are they still spending their time rejecting bids so they dont have to share the club with anyone.

I feel frustrated that the fans dont see and understand what is going on before their very eyes, nothing as the slide continues in front of our very eyes. But at least others are being to understand what is happening and hopefully the fans will apply the required pressure.

I agree a settled team may help, if he stopped dicking about and give the players a chance or are we going to continue with him tinkering without any affect.

As for you doubters even Raf has recently accepted some of the blame for what is going on.

by **louie garthie** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:08 pm

oops! another thread were debate is surpressed by the few

by **dum1** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:15 pm

LG

Well noted and this has been going on for years, they seem to think "that they have spoken" and that's the end of the debate both for them and anyone else.

But if they knew what they were talking about they wouldn't just be on the forum but managing a team:D

by **Red squirrel** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:02 pm

Rafa is a top manager theres no disputing that but one thing that really bugs me is when we,ve been poor he consistently says that we controlled the game. After the Fulham game he said the same thing but i only remember us playing one half of the game. We didnt have any of the ball in the first half to even consider we were in control.
Im not one for criticising the Boss but we need alot more from the team if we're even to consider a top three place. Maybe playing for 90 minutes and not just 45 is the key to this i think...Any way we will get better soon all we need is a 4-0 win to get the belief back. Anfield is the where we expect to get the team buzzing again.
Dont lose hope guys!!!

by **masterraj** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:27 pm

As much as I hate to say it I have watched games this season pulling my hair out asking myself what the team is doing, hardly being able to string three passes together, no passion and so goal shy its embarrassing.
I dont just blame the manger some of the players are to blame ( though some have played as well as ever).
We are just to inconsistent. Yes I love my team and have followed them for over twenty years and always will but please please please come on the red men show me some great football !!!!!!

by **Lando_Griffin** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:17 am

louie garthie wrote:oops! another thread were debate is surpressed by the few

Or in your case, is contributed to by a w*nker. :rasp

by **Lando_Griffin** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:20 am

Out of curiosity, what do you knockers expect? That everyone will agree with you, just as soon as they've finished licking your feet and kissing your a*ses? Get real. What I say I believe, just like you apparantly do.

by **The_Rock** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 3:34 am

Some times...people have to realise that when we criticise rafa, it is not that we want him to quit or get fired. It is because we are concern about the team.

For me, i am basically calling a spade a spade. There is something wrong with the way we play. We control most of the games...yeah. But whats the use when we don't really look like scoring ?

And as for morientes......the less said the better. Reminds me of a german striker we once bought...He was described as world class too..... And rafa still persists in picking moro...... That doesn't warrant criticism...i don't know what does....

by **dum1** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:18 am

Lando

Its funny in your model of the world of LFC us debating what is wrong is seen as "knockin", then please advise at what stage can we criticise -when its all over as the club slips further away from being a top club.

Perhaps Raf has asked for more money to buy recognised forwards but I doubt is has he has signalled his willingness to go with Morienties regardless of his form to the detriment of other forwards.

by **louie garthie** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 8:09 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
louie garthie wrote:oops! another thread were debate is surpressed by the few

Or in your case, is contributed to by a w*nker.

why do you say that ,when you have no clue who I am.I merely stated a fact that debate on this forum is being suppressed by a certain few individuals.It's a crying shame that serious debate about our team cannot be fulfilled because of a minority.

by **darwisigila** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 9:18 am

Quote (louie garthie @ Oct. 24 2005,21:08)
why do you say that ,when you have no clue who I am.I merely stated a fact that debate on this forum is being suppressed by a certain few individuals.It's a crying shame that serious debate about our team cannot be fulfilled because of a minority.

couldn't agree more louie.....................

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