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by **issa_nissa** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:35 pm

I write in this area because that is very important for the world football. Some Ogcnice's fans have written a petition against actual arbitration. They wanted first to do it only for the french championship but finally I have translated in order to european and world teams fans sign it to move the things.

Please sign it and the moderators, can you put as an hot subject because that 's very important. If there are many people who sign it, that will be better.

For an evolution of the arbitration :

After many errors of arbitration happened these last times on all fields in France, an evolution of the arbitration seems to be imperative. This in order every actor of a game ( players, fans, coaches and referees ) could live their passion and their job in the best conditions as possible.

Lately, referees, for different reasons have taken decisions more than litigious, these decisions having sometimes big consequences as in the game Strasbourg-Monaco (14/08/2005, Day 3 of the French premier league ) and Nice-Sochaux (same day ) in which the referee has said the ball had been taken by the hand of an Ognice’s player and that was the knee with what this player touched the ball. He whistled a penalty an gave a red card to the player incriminated.

These examples are in the French premier league because we are french people but we are sure that in every championship there are errors of this type during which the video could have helped the referee to take the right decision.

The aim is not in order to protest against the referees themselves but to mobilise itself in order to this kind of errors does not reproduce anymore. Referees are the target of these errors but the fault is not only from them. It is urgent, for the shows on the fields, to take decisions in order to the arbitration is as well as possible. Why don’t’ we put in place the video to avoid this kind of errors ? Why do we conserve three referees and a fourth one who doesn’t act a lot ? We could add one in the penalty area. That is for this reason that we have to react, because we are us, the fans, who can make the things to move because an evolution will not come from the European and world authorities. All the fans of football teams of all the world and football lovers can act together in order to move the things.

In this optic, we organize a petition in the aim to ask to the UEFA and the FIFA to put in place the video for all championships games of the whole world. The financial problem should not be a problem because there is a lot of money in every authorities which can serve for that.

Please sign the petition to make the world football moving in this site :
http://www.petitiononline.com/ix5qq3/petition.html

Thanks a lot.

by **cptrios** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:43 pm

Would you mind reposting that in your original French? It's pretty unreadable as is.

by **issa_nissa** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:46 pm

You want, I put you the petition in french ?
If it's this, here it is :
Suite aux nombreuses erreurs d'arbitrage survenues ces derniers temps sur les terrains de France, une évolution de l'arbitrage semble impérative. Ceci afin que tous les acteurs d'un match (joueurs, spectateurs, entraîneurs et arbitres) puissent vivre leur passion voir leur métier dans les meilleures conditions possibles. Dernièrement, les arbitres, pour diverses raisons, ont pris des décisions plus que litigieuses, ces décisions ayant parfois des conséquences énormes : lors du Strasbourg-Monaco (14/06/05, 3e journée de la Ligue1), deux buts ont injustement été refusés aux joueurs du RC Strasbourg pour des hors-jeu inexistants, avant qu’un joueur de l’A.S.Monaco ne marque un but de la main (but pourtant accordé). Lors du Nice-Sochaux (13/06/05, 3e journée), l’arbitre du match a, là aussi, pris des décisions litigieuses : pénalty inexistant accordé au F.C. Sochaux, expulsion d’un joueur niçois pour une faute imaginaire (il aurait arrêté le ballon de la main alors qu’il l’a en réalité arrêté du genou), but pourtant valable refusé au F.C. Sochaux. Mais cette foi des incidents ont éclaté suite à ces décisions et le match a été arrêté durant une quinzaine de minutes. A la reprise, le match était complètement faussé et l’arbitre ayant été informé, pendant l’interruption, de son erreur, ne pouvait plus arbitrer dans des conditions correctes (il siffla un pénalty imaginaire en faveur de Nice avant de se rétracter, puis donna un carton rouge immérité à un défenseur Sochalien). Mais les erreurs ne se résument pas à ces deux matchs, on en voit tous les week end sur tous les terrains de foot. Le but n’est pas de jeter la pierre à l’arbitre lui même, mais plutôt de se mobiliser afin que ce genre d’erreurs ne se reproduise plus. Les arbitres sont la cible de ces erreurs, mais la faute ne leur incombe pas totalement. Il est urgent, pour le spectacle sur les terrains, de prendre des décisions afin que l’arbitrage soit le meilleur possible. Pourquoi ne pas avoir mis en place la vidéo qui aurait pu permettre d’éviter ce genre d’erreurs ? Pourquoi conserver 3 arbitres plus un quatrième qui ne sers pas à grand chose dans un match ? On pourrait en rajouter un dans les surfaces de réparations. C’est pour cette raison que l’on doit réagir, sachant pertinemment qu’une évolution de l’arbitrage ne risque pas de venir des instances. Ils faut donc que les supporters de tous les clubs et les amoureux du football réagissent ensemble. Dans cet optique, nous organisons une pétition dans le but de demander à la Fédération Française de Football et à la Ligue de mettre en place la vidéo pour les matchs de Ligue1 et de Ligue2. Le problème financier ne devant pas être un gros problème étant donné les sommes énormes qui circulent actuellement dans le football français, sans oublier celle dépensée par Canal + pour obtenir l’exclusivité des droits de diffusion de la Ligue1.

I have just putted out what concern french premier league and resume it.

by **cptrios** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:53 pm

I don't know, mate. Video replay in American football is one thing, but imagine the ramifications here... you'd end up having 15 minutes of stoppage time after every match. Human error has and always will be part of the game, and I think that as long as you can fine/suspend a referee for a particularly awful decision, the end result is generally for the better.

by **issa_nissa** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:01 pm

No I don't agree with you. This saturday, I was at the game of Ogcnice. The referee whistled a penalty kick for a non existant hand. He gave a red card to our player. And, the images would have shown in 20 seconds that he was wrong. I think video is a good video if it is well used.

Every week, there are errors like this one in every championship and with this petition, perhaps we'll can change something. But we need signs of all european teams fans.

So please sign as everyone in this forum if you are agree with us.

by **Garymac** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:10 pm

issa_nissa wrote:After many errors of arbitration happened these last times on all fields in France, an evolution of the arbitration seems to be imperative. This in order every actor of a game ( players, fans, coaches and referees ) could live their passion and their job in the best conditions as possible.

Jesus, i remember when football was just about 11 men trying to get the ball into the other persons goal!!!

And its not evolution, its Rafalution :angry:

by **jonnymac1979** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:16 pm

You've fucking lost me fella, saying that I've been on the piss since Thursday. I've been notorious for my lack of posting over the weekend.

Gary, it's been another one of those weekends mate like three weeks ago, I can't explain it, extra-ordinary things keep happening at weekends lately!!!! I'm fucking loving it mate!!!

JBG, SS, St Mick, help yourselves to this fellas. It's getting weirder round here by the day !!!

by **jonnymac1979** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:21 pm

Just moving this to Football Worldwide Chat because we don't have a Random Weird Shit forum.

Seriously, in the cold, sober light of tomorrow I might understand this but right now, I'm lost.

by **stmichael** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:25 pm

jonnymac1979 wrote:JBG, SS, St Mick, help yourselves to this fellas. It's getting weirder round here by the day !!!

you must be joking jonny

by **jonnymac1979** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:28 pm

I'm drunk again.

I'm going to watch Dumb and Dumber in a bit. I'm serious, I can't understand what the man is asking in that first post.

Evolution and Arbitration? What happened to this forum? I used to come on here to talk about Liverpool?

by **issa_nissa** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:29 pm

But i think it will more read in the General discussion and as it is important that could have been better.

by **issa_nissa** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:31 pm

jonnymac1979 wrote:I'm drunk again. I'm going to watch Dumb and Dumber in a bit. I'm serious, I can't understand what the man is asking in that first post.

Evolution and Arbitration? What happened to this forum? I used to come on here to talk about Liverpool?

You have not understood what I talk about ?

by **stmichael** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:32 pm

come back 1234spam :bowdown

by **jonnymac1979** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:35 pm

Okay, for your benefit, as a new member, I just read it. It's about video replays. I prefer not to have them. I'm not going to sign your petition.

by **issa_nissa** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:40 pm

jonnymac1979 wrote:Okay, for your benefit, as a new member, I just read it. It's about video replays. I prefer not to have them. I'm not going to sign your petition.

ok that's you choice. But can you explain to me why you don't want it ?

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