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by **MilitiaRusher** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:39 pm

A.B. wrote:
Cisse did not complain because he was injured. He did trained hard to recover ahead of schedule, but he could not complain because he was not at full fitness yet. He himself knew it. Even after he had his full fitness, when he came on for Baros in the 60th minute or so in our last 10 games maybe, he does not run like baros to pressure the defenders! He strolled around on the pitch. When he has the ball up front by himiself he tries to get past 3 defenders and tries a shot in from 40 yards out. (This was against Juventus/Chelsea I think, correct me if i am wrong

If you had broken your leg you wouldn't be running all over the pitch either. Cisse in the 10 minutes he played against Chelsea in the second leg kept Cech bussier than Baros did in the two legs combined.

Not really.

Remember Baros's 1 on 1 with Cech that led to Garcia's 4th minute goal in Anfield?

Remember Baros's sweetly put header which was tipped away by Cech in Stamford Bridge?

Clearly your statement is reflecting on your subjectivity towards Cisse and his injury.

by **woof woof !** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:41 pm

Listening to to rafa on sky sports today ,he seems to be making fairly positive comments about Baros .Maybe he's playing his cards close to his chest but he certainly doesn't sound as though he's in any hurry to get rid of Baros.

by **A.B.** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:42 pm

Not really.

Remember Baros's 1 on 1 with Cech that led to Garcia's 4th minute goal in Anfield?

Remember Baros's sweetly put header which was tipped away by Cech in Stamford Bridge?

Clearly your statement is reflecting on your subjectivity towards Cisse and his injury.

Remember Cisse shot that was just nearly saved by Cech later on in the second leg? Remember Carvalho's mistake which Cisse pounced on and almost scored but Cech managed to save it.

by **MilitiaRusher** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:44 pm

A.B. wrote:
Not really.

Remember Baros's 1 on 1 with Cech that led to Garcia's 4th minute goal in Anfield?

Remember Baros's sweetly put header which was tipped away by Cech in Stamford Bridge?

Clearly your statement is reflecting on your subjectivity towards Cisse and his injury.

Remember Cisse shot that was just nearly saved by Cech later on in the second leg? Remember Carvalho's mistake which Cisse pounced on and almost scored but Cech managed to save it.

Alright that's 2 chances for Cisse. Baros had 2 chances and possibly more that i could not think of. So how could Cisse have possibly kept Cech bussier then Baros in 2 legs combined?

by **A.B.** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:48 pm

2 chances for Baros in two legs, 2 chances for Cisse in 10 minutes.

by **The Ace1983** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 5:04 pm

From the comments that Rafa has made today, I still have no clue as to what's going on. He's saying that the player is happy, but only because he scored goals. If Rafa wanted to dismiss all rumours, he could of done, but now it appears that he is talking the player up in order to increase the fee (a cynical person might think) just like 'Arry did with Crouch. None of us are any the wiser, which makes me think that Baros is going, mores the pity.

by **red37** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 7:27 pm

im cynical and i agree with the school of thought that says rafa is buttering up baros' options for him.
rafa said 'if you see the player in training he is happy, he scored 2 goals and did a very good game'
i will look at him tomorrow he also said... now if he had no intention of selling baros rafa surely would put it to bed in clearer terms than he did. yes, he praised milan, but remember real madrid being linked to rafa earlier in the summer? remember how '3 times rafa allegedly tried to extend stevies contract last season and remember how rafa spoke of crouch and his desire to get him? ALL statements that rafa made off his own back, largely straight away and very much positively.

i think it really boils down to rafa being unconvinced by baros and either he IS going to use him tonight as a 'last chance saloon' scenario.bearing in mind the crouch partnership. (but would part of a competitive game be enough to assess them both anyway).. before being sold?. this would be in relation to(so far)the aston villa/west ham option, and the circumstance of being(uefa) cup-tied not even mattering in any case if its a lower placed epl side..therefore rafa gets an albeit brief last look just to dot the i's etc. While knowing it shouldnt affect his market value..if he sells to the above/similar opposition.

(seems wasteful though this option..to liverpool, as, although baros may well help us through the tie. IF a premier club in europe were to bid, and they could well get him for peanuts after appearing. then if baros does go we lose out..again!

or

he keeps baros. because he has seen 99% of what he needs to. just, again to dot the i's and cross the tee's. rafa wants to see if crouch/baros IS the reason baros himself now wants to stop. (and why for that matter I.M.O he SHOULD at least be given til january.)
i.e the player realises the partnership could flourish??
then performing in the spotlight and being courted.
thus upping his value higher,THUS attracting bigger offers.
then its off to laa laa land with a fat paypacket....selfish player or reformed squad member a'la benitez' school?

as yet im pretty sure milan baros has milan baros as his priority
and is doing all he can to EITHER manufacture a move away to a big club ( trying in training/scoring/looking for link-up play) playing like the talent he HAS in other words..or he is actually starting to perform for US.with our intentions at the top of his list... btw how are the czech republic doing in their qualifying group for germany???

id like him to stay for a while longer JUST to make sure we arent letting go of a threat. but the signs from rafa look very much pointed toward a 'do or die' situation.. patience has worn thin.

maybe we might get a clue tonight/maybe next round.who knows.

anyway good luck reds.

long post but that brings me up nice to fridge/remote control time!!

by **MCYan** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 7:38 pm

A.B. wrote:
Cisse did not complain because he was injured. He did trained hard to recover ahead of schedule, but he could not complain because he was not at full fitness yet. He himself knew it. Even after he had his full fitness, when he came on for Baros in the 60th minute or so in our last 10 games maybe, he does not run like baros to pressure the defenders! He strolled around on the pitch. When he has the ball up front by himiself he tries to get past 3 defenders and tries a shot in from 40 yards out. (This was against Juventus/Chelsea I think, correct me if i am wrong

If you had broken your leg you wouldn't be running all over the pitch either. Cisse in the 10 minutes he played against Chelsea in the second leg kept Cech bussier than Baros did in the two legs combined.

If Cisse was not at full fitness, I doubt Rafa would play him on those important matches. We can clearly see that Baros was not tired yet at the 60th minute for most games, but Rafa wants to bring in a different player to give different attacking options. Yet after Cisse came on, the opposition was given a lot of time to organize their play starting from the defenders. True that Cisse did cause some troubles to Cech after he came on, but all those chances he got were pretty ugly misses.

by **A.B.** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 7:51 pm

If Cisse was not at full fitness, I doubt Rafa would play him on those important matches

Mate if you broke your leg like Cisse you wouldn't want to put yourself in any danger by running all over the pitch.

True that Cisse did cause some troubles to Cech after he came on, but all those chances he got were pretty ugly misses.

They weren't ugly saves they were pretty damn good saves.

by **azriahmad** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 8:55 pm

Sell him for as much as possible and reinforce an aera where we need it the most - central defence. Next on the list is the right midfield.

Our defence is looking so pedestrian that it turns my stomach every time the opposition thread passes when the defence is playing the offside trap...so lumbering and so easily sprung.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:17 am

john craig wrote:For me, there is no question that the guy is talented, and if he keeps up this attitude then he's worth keeping.

The trouble is, if Pellegrino had developed an extra furlong of pace, we should have kept him! Baros is trying to get a better club than West Ham interested in him. Don't forget that last close-season there was talk of him joining Barcalona! (A bit of a drop, there!!!!!) He couldn't give a monkey's left knacker about LFC.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:19 am

Sorry for repeating the basic jists of some posts, I didn't read that far!

by **A.B.** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:32 am

Sorry for repeating the basic jists of some posts, I didn't read that far!

You summed it up with "He couldn't give a monkey's left knacker about LFC. "

by **laza** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:55 am

Yeah as a cynic myself i wouldnt take too much on Rafa verbal buttering up of Baros.
The fact he hasnt cuptied him speaks far louderfor me.
Far as im concerned if Baros doesnt go it will be because we didnt get a good enough offer, not because Rafa has changed his mind on him

by **A.B.** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 4:02 am

Far as im concerned if Baros doesnt go it will be because we didnt get a good enough offer, not because Rafa has changed his mind on him

Yup, he's turned down Lyon. He was in talks with Valencia but Valencia got a new manager who didn't rate him as much as the past manager[funny, Houllier,Benitez and another manager don't rate him]

If he doesn't get a good offer he wont leave and that puts us in a bad position because his value will go down due to his contract. The only way it wouldn't go down would be if we offered him a new contract and if he signed it. Somebody here has a better chance winning the lottery than that happening.

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