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by **Judge** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:43 pm

i see you spoiled your great post with that added bit about the formula one farce

by **woof woof !** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:48 pm

The Return of the Judge wrote:i see you spoiled your great post with that added bit about the formula one farce

Just trying to keep the thread "on track" Judge .

On track :laugh:

geddit ?

by **stmichael** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:50 pm

woof woof ! wrote:
The Return of the Judge wrote:i see you spoiled your great post with that added bit about the formula one farce

Just trying to keep the thread "on track" Judge .

On track geddit ?

god this thread is the pits

by **woof woof !** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:03 pm

Groan

by **JBG** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:17 pm

So much dogmatic ideology in this thread........its a bit worrying.

The IRA didn't kill in the name of Cathlicism, CGGY, they killed in the name of a Marxist (and therefore athiest) 32 County Ireland. The Troubles degenerated into tit for tat secterian violence in which both communities went at it hammer and thongs....religion marked your allegiance but it was a political, not a religious war.

As for Judge, how can you give a balanced arguement as to what and how Muslim people feel and think when your perspective of their world is from looking down the barrell of a gun at them? Use another forum for your anti-muslim/anti-Islam agenda, this is a football forum, not a right wing soapbox. Its not the first time you've posted distasteful comments about "insurgents" in threads. :angry:

by **Ciggy** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:22 pm

Was only giving it another view JBG that its not only muslim terrorists that kill people, every race does it. Of every religion colour or creed.

by **woof woof !** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:53 pm

JBG wrote:So much dogmatic ideology in this thread........its a bit worrying.

As for Judge, Use another forum for your anti-muslim/anti-Islam agenda, this is a football forum, not a right wing soapbox. Its not the first time you've posted distasteful comments about "insurgents" in threads.

JBG, Dogmatic ? if thats aimed in my direction you might care to expand ?

As for your address to the Judge , imo it is at least a bit harsh , perhaps if like the Judge you'd been shot at or had friends killed by the said insurgents you might have shown some understanding and gone a little easier with you rebuke .

:bump

by **dawson99** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:17 pm

i reckon the war was a good thing, if it stopped the thousands killed by saddam. what i said was that the way we went about it was a disgrace. WMD indeed, they cant even make a decent skateboard out there. but thousands were killed. hundreds of thousands raped and abused, it had to be stopped, and we're getting there.

its all about oil tho, or else why isnt anything being done about the dictators all over africa as well?
war is never a good thing, im not some blood thirsty nazi, but sometimes war is needed to cleanse an area where total atrocities are going on 24/7.
unfortunately innocents are always caught in the crossfire

by **JBG** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:58 pm

woof woof ! wrote:
JBG wrote:So much dogmatic ideology in this thread........its a bit worrying.

As for Judge, Use another forum for your anti-muslim/anti-Islam agenda, this is a football forum, not a right wing soapbox. Its not the first time you've posted distasteful comments about "insurgents" in threads.

JBG, Dogmatic ? if thats aimed in my direction you might care to expand ?

As for your address to the Judge , imo it is at least a bit harsh , perhaps if like the Judge you'd been shot at or had friends killed by the said insurgents you might have shown some understanding and gone a little easier with you rebuke .

My comments were not directed at you woof......I don't know how you make that out.

I'm angry at Judge as he has used this forum to disseminate his views on the Middle East, which are trenchant and are border line dodgy in my view. Judge made some comments in other threads in the past about people of the muslim faith.

Let me remind people that every one typing behind a keyboard here is not a white, middle class, Scouser or even British person. There are people of many faiths and creeds here from all sorts of backgrounds and all sorts of religions. There are many people here who are of the muslim faith.

I make no apologies in any remarks that I make on the forum about Stu the Red's, Judges and any other party's views on religion and race. Zero apologies. I know for a fact that certain members are racist as these members have made racist remarks to me in PM.

There is nothing wrong with arguing about Iraq or world affairs in General chat, absolutely nothing wrong. For the record, I was in favour of the war originally, but in my view it was entirely based on lies and deciet and I am now vehemently, vehemently against it.

However, that is my view but for the purpose of this arguement, it has nothing to do with my remarks about Judge. If he wants to make remarks about people's race and religion, I suggest he go to a Republican party newsgroup or for that matter, the BNP.

As for CGGY, I'm sorry if I appeared angry with my retort to your post, but I'm Irish and catholic by birth (I'm an atheist now mind) and I absolutely detest the IRA, and in my mind the IRA and the Catholic religion have nothing to do with each other only than coincidence......by that rationale Protestants must hang their head in shame over Hitler (by that rationale).

by **dawson99** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:07 pm

think the dogmatic thing was said in jest

we all do have different beliefs, different levels of belief and yes, some people are verging on blatant racism.

on the other hand, society now has gone so mad (as ive shown in recent insurance threads et al) that it seems you cant even fart without someone suing u, and the whole freedom of speech idea is now just a joke. you just have to know what to say, and if you do have certain beliefs, then this definately aint the place to be preaching them

by **Big Niall** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:15 pm

The US supports Israel because of the jewish vote. America SUPPORTED Saddam with chemical weapons (yip - Rumsfield) because he was secular (not the Al Queda type US & UK gov lied about). He got greedy for Kuwaiti oil, USA will have enery shortage so need a puppet regime in the middle east.. all leads to Iraq war which was pointless and done for US greed and UK does what its told.
They supported Bin Laden against Soviets so lets not pretend its about right and wrong (they don't lecture China on democracy! or Saudi). Its all a spin for greed like the crusades were.

Palestinians can't wage conventional warfare as they don't have the resources so guerilla war (as they'd call it) or terrorism as other side do is the only solution. Same with IRA, ETA, tons of other groups around the world who don't have the finance to wage a conventional war against their enemy.

Why is it ok for bush to talk about god/bible etc and drop bombs killing innocent men/women/children, with Blairs support. How are they different to the terrorists?

by **Big Niall** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:17 pm

Forgot to ask why is it ok for USA, UK, France, India, Pakistan, China and Israel to have nucleur weapons especially considering USA is only country to use it on a civilian population.

Why is it when muslim countries try to acquire nukes they are called "weapons of mass destruction". what are the wests?

by **taff** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:17 pm

I dont like formula 1 to be honest.

I went to Tunisia in October 2001 for a holiday. I dont know if anyones been there but in the capital Tunis is a huge medieval market, narrow streets, people haggling etc you know the scene. Its called a Medina.

Anyway I was strolling about looking at fake prada bags and went into a small shop where you had the usual hassle from the shopkeeper. In the corner of the shop was a young Osama Bin lookalike just looking at me. I thought, bet he hates me and thinks Im the enemy especially as 9/11 was a month ago etc, so I gave him a look back.

We had the alright mate standoff then he asked me in a broad American accent where I was from. We got chatting and it turns out he was a student from Chicago on a year out and had come over to travel for a bit. We even talked about Baseball and is Frasier better than Cheers etc.

The thing is I immediately identified him as enemy, the timing of my trip probably helped that but I still saw it that way. What a plonker I felt as with 99% of the human race no matter where in the world you go they are decent and friendly. Ive done some travelling and experienced this kindness all over the place (even in Liverpool

).

Well the point is that we could all justify our views and beliefs through upbringing, experiences, political and religious beliefs etc. But we have to remember that our fears, hate etc are not unique to us and felt by all.

This American lad was scared to go back and scared I would have a go at him cos of his look.

What the answer is God knows, but at some point we have to stop contributing as individuals to the hate

by **dawson99** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:18 pm

i never said bush was right, im saying the war was right

for what its worth big niall i agree with everything u say. the means doesnt justify the ends but it had to happen and the world is a better place becasue of it, no matter what the lies were in the first place

by **woof woof !** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:22 pm

JBG wrote:My comments were not directed at you woof......I don't know how you make that out.

I'm angry at Judge as he has used this forum to disseminate his views on the Middle East, which are trenchant and are border line dodgy in my view. Judge made some comments in other threads in the past about people of the muslim faith.

Let me remind people that every one typing behind a keyboard here is not a white, middle class, Scouser or even British person. There are people of many faiths and creeds here from all sorts of backgrounds and all sorts of religions. There are many people here who are of the muslim faith.

I make no apologies in any remarks that I make on the forum about Stu the Red's, Judges and any other party's views on religion and race. Zero apologies. I know for a fact that certain members are racist as these members have made racist remarks to me in PM.

There is nothing wrong with arguing about Iraq or world affairs in General chat, absolutely nothing wrong. For the record, I was in favour of the war originally, but in my view it was entirely based on lies and deciet and I am now vehemently, vehemently against it.

However, that is my view but for the purpose of this arguement, it has nothing to do with my remarks about Judge. If he wants to make remarks about people's race and religion, I suggest he go to a Republican party newsgroup or for that matter, the BNP.

As for CGGY, I'm sorry if I appeared angry with my retort to your post, but I'm Irish and catholic by birth (I'm an atheist now mind) and I absolutely detest the IRA, and in my mind the IRA and the Catholic religion have nothing to do with each other only than coincidence......by that rationale Protestants must hang their head in shame over Hitler (by that rationale).

OK JBG , just that some people throw the word Dog about without consideration for my feelings .Even when its attached to other letters to form a word like DOGmatic it's still hurtfull .
:sniffle

.

On a more serious note , perhaps I'm getting blind in my old age but re reading the thread I can't find anything that suggetsts the Judge should receive a PUBLIC flogging , this isn't the middle east after all.
Have I become politically insensitive ? .

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