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by **stmichael** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:32 pm

rafa has always preferred a 4-2-3-1 formation. we played this system in the home game against arsenal and produced our best premiership display of the season. i think in the long term that morientes will be used in the withdrawn striker role behind cisse or somebody new.

reina

finnan carragher milito riise

alonso gerrard

garcia morientes aimar

cisse

i'd pay to watch that team every week

by **Cool Hand Luke** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:34 pm

Maybe someone will prove me wrong, but I have never known a team to have any great success using the 3 centre backs and wing backs system.

4 defenders is the basis off all good teams, a 3-5-2 is only an option you can use during a match if you think it will help.

One other thing, like I said before I dont think Rafa would have bought Cisse if they signing hadnt alreay been agreed. Next season I think Cisse will not be an automatic starter.

by **dawson99** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:38 pm

stmichael wrote:rafa has always preferred a 4-2-3-1 formation. we played this system in the home game against arsenal and produced our best premiership display of the season. i think in the long term that morientes will be used in the withdrawn striker role behind cisse or somebody new.

reina

finnan carragher milito riise

alonso gerrard

garcia morientes aimar

cisse

i'd pay to watch that team every week

how many goals we gonna leak with that? lol, great attack but as soon as welost the ball aimar, mori and garica would be redundant... i'll try this one:

Dudek
Finnan Carragher Hypia Traore

Garcia Alonso Gerrard Risse

Morientez

Cisse

Well, thats if we dont buy anyone new

i dunno, 451, 442, maybe its just the same but with one striker not up as far as often. all depends on the mentality of the players

by **115-1073096938** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:48 pm

weve got baros, morientez, pongolle, la tallec, cisse, garcia, mellor.
(ok 3 will be gone in the summer)
Also talk of 3 or 4 new ones. (who knows whats gonna happen)

just cant see us playing 451 all the time unless cisse plays a lot deeper like garcia can.

id just like to see the old 442 again, and 352 can work when didi is part of the 5, just depends on the situation.
maybe i just dont like 451, i like 2 strikers up front, and another just behind, but thats just me.

Mellor and Baros will leave. I doubt Le Tallec will feature much.

Cisse doesn't play deep. Morientes and Luis Garcia will play the deeper or more withdrawn role.

Arsenal have played 1 upfront for years and made it a success. It depends on balance and personal.

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rafa has always preferred a 4-2-3-1 formation. we played this system in the home game against arsenal and produced our best premiership display of the season. i think in the long term that morientes will be used in the withdrawn striker role behind cisse or somebody new.

reina

finnan carragher milito riise

alonso gerrard

garcia morientes aimar

cisse

i'd pay to watch that team every week

I'm not being funny, but you're another one who doesn't consider the obvious. Where on earth would the width come from in that side? Aimar and Luis Garcia are very similar types of players and both play behind 1 striker. They are not in a million years wide midfielders.

how many goals we gonna leak with that? lol, great attack but as soon as welost the ball aimar, mori and garica would be redundant... i'll try this one:

Dudek
Finnan Carragher Hypia Traore

Garcia Alonso Gerrard Risse

Morientez

Cisse

Well, thats if we dont buy anyone new
i dunno, 451, 442, maybe its just the same but with one striker not up as far as often. all depends on the mentality of the players

Luis Garica isn't a wide player. Riise (spelt RIISE) isn't a midfielder and Traore should be sold. He's not good enough.

by **dawson99** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:54 pm

ok stu, what do u suggest?
we dont have 'wide players' but garcia did a good job for us last season, which is why i put him there. ok, spelt risse wong, but everyone knew what i meant.
and we can specualte til we go blue in the face about whos leaving but e the here and now is we have about 6 strikers on the books, morientez came for 1st team football and im bored of playing strikers out of position non stop. so something needs to be changed.
The gooners play with one striker but they also have midfielders in the box non stop, something whihc weve failed to do in the league recently so thats something that definately needs changing

by **115-1073096938** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:01 pm

MORIENTES!!

We NEED two wide midfielders.

Maybe the fact Rafa wants Zenden is because he won't cost anything and it would free up funds for us to sign a right sided midfielder.

Morientes isn't out of position just of the front man, he's a very similar player to Teddy Sherringham.

by **dawson99** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:03 pm

u mean just OFF the front man

but i hear what you're saying now. id go 451 with mori just OFF the striker. Maybe Raul could play that position too if we were to sign him.
Zenden for me would be a good buy, i wanted us to go for overmars a few years ago but hes passed it now.
So wed have outright strikers: Cisse, Baros
Just OFF strikers: Morientez, Garcia

ok, we're agreed

by **stmichael** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:04 pm

stu_the_red wrote:Where on earth would the width come from in that side? Aimar and Luis Garcia are very similar types of players and both play behind 1 striker. They are not in a million years wide midfielders.

i agree that one of our main problems at liverpool is that we have lacked width in recent years and have not rectified the problem properly yet. gone are the days of barnes skinning everyone or mcmanaman dribbling down the right wing with the ball stuck to his feet. jesus, even mark walters was an out and out wide man and took players on in wide areas (even if it did involve 45 stepovers).

look at it this way. when we won the three trophies in 2001 and then finished second in 2002, we did so with a narrow system. quite often, hamann, gerrard and murphy played narrow with smicer or litmanen in the hole. all width was reliant on the likes of babbel and riise bombing forward from full back which they did to great effect. smicer could play wide but tended to drift in and wander. eventually, towards the end of the season we ended up playing heskey as a left winger which was a joke in itself.

however that summer, we had the chance to sign damien duff but houllier turned it down because he wouldn't meet blackburn's valuation of 17m. he offered 12m. now considering we spent 20m of diouf, diao and cheyrou (2 are out on loan and the other is still here but sh#te), what would have been the better purchase?

after seeing duff the likes of Duff, Robben and Ronaldo play this season, it sums up the difference between a WINGER and a WIDE MIDFIELDER. chelsea had great width, especially down the left and also with ferreira down the right. kewell used to be as good as duff but is shot to pieces at the moment and garcia can play wide but tends to drift into the middle a lot. maybe nunez is the answer i don't know?

whatever the case, width is an issue we need to address if we want to break teams down. i hear people mentioning SWP but as daft as it sounds, I don't think his best position is as a winger. i think he'd be more devastating as a support striker.

thoughts?

by **115-1073096938** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:06 pm

dawson99 wrote:u mean just OFF the front man but i hear what you're saying now. id go 451 with mori just OFF the striker. Maybe Raul could play that position too if we were to sign him.
Zenden for me would be a good buy, i wanted us to go for overmars a few years ago but hes passed it now.
So wed have outright strikers: Cisse, Baros
Just OFF strikers: Morientez, Garcia

ok, we're agreed

Overmars has retired.

Right, i'm gettin of here in a bit, am not havin you slaggin me of like that.

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by **115-1073096938** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:08 pm

Agree on Wright-Phillips.

I'd settle for Zenden and Joaquin.

by **dawson99** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:09 pm

believe it or not and i know im gonna get shouted down now, but i still hold the belief that nunez can be a good wing man. riisse also plays well wide left. zenden is a good buy.
SWP is a class act but will be a gooner before a kopite im sorry to say.
Would have been great to get Duff but i think hes a diving fool. Okay, hes a genius on the ball, but im glad hes not a liverpool player.

Robben is different class tho, got to admit that, but chelsea have shown that width is the way to win games, and thats what we need to be doing as well IMO

by **dawson99** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:11 pm

stu_the_red wrote:
dawson99 wrote:u mean just OFF the front man but i hear what you're saying now. id go 451 with mori just OFF the striker. Maybe Raul could play that position too if we were to sign him.
Zenden for me would be a good buy, i wanted us to go for overmars a few years ago but hes passed it now.
So wed have outright strikers: Cisse, Baros
Just OFF strikers: Morientez, Garcia

ok, we're agreed

Overmars has retired.

Right, i'm gettin of here in a bit, am not havin you slaggin me of like that.

2-1

overmars has past it now, hence thats why i said not to go for him, as he has retired lol

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i love these saturday chats. we are basically saying the same things in different ways

by **115-1073096938** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:12 pm

Nunez will be a decent squad player at best. Shaun Wright-Phillips is overated.

I can't believe you don't like Duff, the lads great to watch. I'd have him for Liverpool any day OFF the week.

And Riise has one s... spelt Riise.

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by **dawson99** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:16 pm

Duff is great to watch, but never seena player dive as much, and ive watched a lot of games. Id rather have riissse any day of the week.
I've just got something against Duff, not the playing, the attitude.
and its 3-2 to you by the way, now im getting out before i lose by more

by **115-1073096938** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:19 pm

Nar, i like Duff's attitude. Always gives 100% and never hides when full backs kick him. I remember when he was playing for Blackburn and Neville was tryiner kick him out of the game and couldn't get near him. Always liked the lad since then, joy to watch.

You wanna see players with bad attitudes look at Doof and Baros.

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