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by **bigmick** » Fri May 06, 2005 10:45 am

Stu's points system is unusual but he it has merit I think. Broadly it demonstrates what we already all know, that you need a few absolutely brilliant players (Dalglish, Souness, Rush) surrounded bysome really good, solid hardworking pro's (Sammy Lee, Alan Kennedy etc etc). Your top players have got to do the biz on a regular basis, while your lesser players have got to be the type you can hang your hat on EVERY game. So when you go 2-0 down at Southampton as in this year, Dalglish and Rush are getting nowhere, it's your "lesser" players who dig in and win the battle to get you back to 2-1. Like as not, Dalglish then equalises and Rush gets the winner, that's a team.

I would agree with most of Stu's point awards except for a couple in the Chelsea team. The goalkeeper has to be a 6 surely? Is there a better keeper in World football? If there is then I certainly haven't seen him.
Fat Frank, as much as we all dislike the ponce is the best goalscoring midfielder in World Football in my view. I can see you now reaching for the keyboard to slag me off but he is one of the main reasons IMHO why we will very close to winning the World Cup in Germany. His progress should make Stevie think long and hard because Gerrard has the more raw talent but Lampard currently is ahead of him in my opinion. I feel a bit like I'm criticisng the pope in saying that but there you go. To finally back my argument up I ask this question, if Lampard played in the centre of OUR midfield and had scored 18 goals this season would we still be fighting for fourth? Would Chelsea have won the title? He's a 6 in anyone's language.

by **banana** » Fri May 06, 2005 2:17 pm

Bamaga man wrote:
stu_the_red wrote:Right a while ago, i done a points system, awarded to teams depending on level of players.

6. World class
5. Top class
4. Quality
3. Good player
2. Squad player
1. average player

I'll put three teams down.

United treble winning side.
Code: Select all
   Cole Yorke    4 5 Giggs Scholes Keane Beckham   6 5 6 6 Irwin Stam Johnsen Neville   3 6 4 3    Schmiechal    6

Overall: 54/66

Chelsea side of today:
Code: Select all
   Robben Drogba Duff    6 4 5    Lampard Makalele Smertin    4 5 3    Bridge Terry Gallas Ferriera    4 5 5 5    Cech    5

Overall: 51/66

Liverpool:
Code: Select all
   Morientes Cisse    5 3 Riise Gerrard Alonso Luis Garcia   4 5 5 4 Warnock Hyypia Carragher Finnan    3 4 4 4    Dudek    2

Carragher only gets a 4 instead of a three because he's a Liverpool lad. Warnock is a potential 4. Gerrard and Alonso are potential 6's Cisse a potential 5. Maybe... Maybe i'm being generous. Maybe i'm not.

Overall: 43/66

In my opinion you need to be a 50 at least to be good enough to be regular challengers in the compititions. Obviously your manager would get you extra points etc but that isn't part of the arguement.

We are roughly 3-4 players away. A class striker, goalkeeper and two wide midfielders being the preference. In that order. Heres a minimum for example, (using unrealistic targets maybe.....)

Vicente = 5 (to replace Warnock, Riise going to left back)
Joaquin = 5 (to replace Cisse, Luis Garcia moving behind the front man)
Canizares = 5 (to replace Dudek).

7 more points would take us to that 50 mark.

We aren't THAT far away, however, we are. Depends how you look at it.

Dont read or take any of that in because that is pure pony

i don't think that's pony at all. That's a respectable and fairly unbiased post if you ask me.

by **Leonmc0708** » Fri May 06, 2005 2:24 pm

banana wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
stu_the_red wrote:Right a while ago, i done a points system, awarded to teams depending on level of players.

6. World class
5. Top class
4. Quality
3. Good player
2. Squad player
1. average player

I'll put three teams down.

United treble winning side.
Code: Select all
   Cole Yorke    4 5 Giggs Scholes Keane Beckham   6 5 6 6 Irwin Stam Johnsen Neville   3 6 4 3    Schmiechal    6

Overall: 54/66

Chelsea side of today:
Code: Select all
   Robben Drogba Duff    6 4 5    Lampard Makalele Smertin    4 5 3    Bridge Terry Gallas Ferriera    4 5 5 5    Cech    5

Overall: 51/66

Liverpool:
Code: Select all
   Morientes Cisse    5 3 Riise Gerrard Alonso Luis Garcia   4 5 5 4 Warnock Hyypia Carragher Finnan    3 4 4 4    Dudek    2

Carragher only gets a 4 instead of a three because he's a Liverpool lad. Warnock is a potential 4. Gerrard and Alonso are potential 6's Cisse a potential 5. Maybe... Maybe i'm being generous. Maybe i'm not.

Overall: 43/66

In my opinion you need to be a 50 at least to be good enough to be regular challengers in the compititions. Obviously your manager would get you extra points etc but that isn't part of the arguement.

We are roughly 3-4 players away. A class striker, goalkeeper and two wide midfielders being the preference. In that order. Heres a minimum for example, (using unrealistic targets maybe.....)

Vicente = 5 (to replace Warnock, Riise going to left back)
Joaquin = 5 (to replace Cisse, Luis Garcia moving behind the front man)
Canizares = 5 (to replace Dudek).

7 more points would take us to that 50 mark.

We aren't THAT far away, however, we are. Depends how you look at it.

Dont read or take any of that in because that is pure pony

i don't think that's pony at all. That's a respectable and fairly unbiased post if you ask me.

Are you trying to get into Stu's knickers or what ?

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