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by **maximus** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:24 pm

IrishRed wrote:I knew yow would say O`Neill,a good manager but nothing compared to Bentiez.....Winning 2 La Liga`s and a UEFA Cup says it all really....

O`Neill had Larson a guy who won so many games for Celtic....Have you ever watched Celtic play?Pure long ball up to hatchet man hartson....Couldn`t see O`neill attracting players like Morientes and Alonso to Liverpool

Don't even bother mate..................pointless :down:

by **82-1074641017** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:26 pm

maximus wrote:
IrishRed wrote:I knew yow would say O`Neill,a good manager but nothing compared to Bentiez.....Winning 2 La Liga`s and a UEFA Cup says it all really....

O`Neill had Larson a guy who won so many games for Celtic....Have you ever watched Celtic play?Pure long ball up to hatchet man hartson....Couldn`t see O`neill attracting players like Morientes and Alonso to Liverpool

Don't even bother mate..................pointless

Well Im discussing it with him now, at least he has half a brain in his head and hes willing to discuss football.
So if your going to post drivel dont do it on here eh you tell me enough about it

by **IrishRed** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:29 pm

Foreign managers have worked at Arsenal and now Chelsea....and remember Wenger has done well without big money.....Bentiez has the inside info on the best players in la Liga and he will attract them to Liverpool.......

O` Neill is a very inteligent manager but he would be a return to the soo called football that we had under houllier....

Keep the faith in Bentiez he is respected by every one in the game....Mourinho believes bentiez will build a strong team at Liverpool

by **SouthernScouser** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:30 pm

Roberts
Have you though of it another way mate.
You say your entitled to be more frustrated than others who have followed the team through many glorious seasons.
Can you not concede that for many - they feel the pain of under achievement even more than you - because they have had to go through the demise and re-birth of some of the best teams a club side has ever produced.
It's not that people aren't realistic or honest - it's that they love this club more than anything and in order to cope with the disappointment - they remain optimistic - and see it as a long transitional period.

I do empathise though - if your fed up with people talk transition - but believe me - all the best side in the world that reach the top, have to get knocked off and then they climb back up.

by **82-1074641017** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:35 pm

Yeah fair point and I respect that, its going to take a long time if it does happen again though, I mean next season I dont think will be a good one, our best player is on his way out of Anfield as well in the summer so i cant see us doing much better than scrapping between 4th or 5th place next year.
Anyway thanks for the constructive posting lads thats all I have ever wanted on here, some of the other babies on here should follow your example instead or hurling abuse at me then having the front to PM the moderators complaining about me for giving it back.

by **maximus** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:42 pm

Off topic slightly and quite a long read, however puts the saying 'keeping the faith' in perspective. Post I saw on RAWK recently, about the great Franco Baresi, and the rise and rise of AC Milan., I quote:

Does anyone know what Baresi did in the early eighties? Here's what has happened: At 14 Baresi joins Milan after Inter (where is older brother was playing) rejected him, how foolish of them! He makes his debut very young and in 1979 wins the title with Milan. A couple of years later Milan gets relegated from Serie A to Serie B. The club is in a mess having being involved in match fixing and the club's owner ran away. The club was in total crisis, seeing the light at the end of the tunnel was impossible.

A few weeks later city's rival Inter make an offer for Baresi and Baresi's partner in the middle of the defence Collovati. Straight away Collovati joins Inter. A then very young Baresi (21-22) is made captain of a falling giant. He's regarded by most as the best young talent of his generation and the 1982 World Cup is around the corner. Staying with Milan playing in Serie B would probably jeopardise his chances of going to the World Cup. Joining Inter would mean playing alongside his brother and enjoying the race for title every season at a club flushed with money. Collovati had no doubt in his mind that the right choice was to join Inter.

Liverpool are nowhere near as bad as AC Milan was in the early eighties.

I am sure most of you know what Baresi did but I'll tell you anyway: HE STAYED AT MILAN! He played for them in Serie B. He was so good he was picked for the World Cup squad anyway. Milan won the Serie B league and came straight up only to go down again one season later. More offers came in for Baresi. Did he regret his original choice? Did he join Inter, Juve? Did he? Of course he didn't. He played for Milan in Serie B again. That's what I call a man!

In the following years with Milan he won promotion and then went on to win the European Cup three times (now better known as Champions League), he won the Intercontinental Cup twice, the European Super Cup 3 times, the Italian League 5 times (to add to the win in 1979), and played a total of 5 European Cup Finals. He became for every Milan fan 'Il Capitano' (The Captain, capital T and capital C).

When he retired from football in 1997 the club not only organised a match for him in the San Siro where 85,000 paying supporters saw him and the Milan players play the likes of Maradona, Romario, Careca, Koeman, Mattheus but also the jersey with the number 6, the number he worn for so many years, was retired as well. No more Milan players will ever wear the number 6 (this week has been announced that the same will happen with Paolo Maldini's number 3 when he retires). Baresi is an immortal.

by **The_Rock** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:57 pm

in a nutshell....support the team thru thick & thin...

by **82-1074641017** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:59 pm

Thats actually a good post about Baresi I never realised that Milan were in such a state when he first joined them.
Thats a incredible story that.

by **liamac** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 11:08 pm

Then maybe just maybe Roberts after reading that post about Baresi you might start to have faith in the team and the manager and stop being so negative ...........in all honesty it surprised me when you wrote that you are only 21............im 41 and have seen the club in the glory years of the 70s and 80s........ok we havent done near as well since then , but in comparison to a lot of the other clubs we have done bloody well ........league cup , F.A. cup and the U.E.F.A cup ..........how many clubs apart from Arsenal and the scum can say they have won as many cups in the 90s up to now as we have ?? and that is when you say we have been pants !!!! ............by our standards in the past it hasnt been anywhere near as good , i agree with you on that , but dont ever turn round and say Liverpool FC is sh!te like you have done cos that is an insult to every supporter of the club and to the team and manager ,.
If thats the route you want to take you really have no place on this forum or any other for that matter ............apart from the scums that is

by **82-1074641017** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 11:48 pm

liamac wrote:Then maybe just maybe Roberts after reading that post about Baresi you might start to have faith in the team and the manager and stop being so negative ...........in all honesty it surprised me when you wrote that you are only 21............im 41 and have seen the club in the glory years of the 70s and 80s........ok we havent done near as well since then , but in comparison to a lot of the other clubs we have done bloody well ........league cup , F.A. cup and the U.E.F.A cup ..........how many clubs apart from Arsenal and the scum can say they have won as many cups in the 90s up to now as we have ?? and that is when you say we have been pants !!!! ............by our standards in the past it hasnt been anywhere near as good , i agree with you on that , but dont ever turn round and say Liverpool FC is sh!te like you have done cos that is an insult to every supporter of the club and to the team and manager ,.
If thats the route you want to take you really have no place on this forum or any other for that matter ............apart from the scums that is

We are ****** by Liverpool standards yes, by Premiership standards no

by **liamac** » Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:01 pm

By the standards Liverpool set in the 70s and 80s ,every am in the premiership is poor Roberts........no one will ever be able to match the standard set by us ......not even us >Its a real shame you arent old enough to remember or enjoyed the past glories but then again its history now .
Like i said we still win trophies tho no where near as much as we did , its a transitional phase mixed with the worst injury crisis this club has ever experienced which couldnt be fortold even by some old granny at Blackpool beach looking into her crystal ball !

Considering the fact (like i said and so many others have stated ) that we have been really knackered by injuries plus the loaning out of players who Raffa considered no good , we have done well to get where we are........think about it , how many times did SG and Alonso partner each other in midfield ? 6 maybe 7 times .First SG is injured then a few games playing together and then Alonso is crocked..........and the same applies to the Baros and Cissi .......the list goes on Roberts...........Raffa has had to fix and patch where he could and yes he made some mistakes .........but what manager doesnt ?

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