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by **Judge** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 1:58 pm

there was no war mate, me n jim were just having a heated debate, which is good for morale

opinions are good for diversity, i couldn't give a fu'ck what people thought, but will always give'em back what they give out - its healthy

by **laza** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 1:58 pm

anfieldadorer wrote:
Stan Laurel wrote:
cheesecrackernuts wrote:anybody seen my rabbit?

what the fook?

Are you sure you are Liverpool fan then?

she however succeeded in stopping war between judge and jim

probably just delayed it

As this negative little thread will probably keep the temperture running hot for a little while longer

by **Judge** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 2:00 pm

laza

by **jim_morrison_supported_liverpool** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 2:03 pm

The Return of the Judge wrote:so it would appear that whatever your talking about means everything, and that other folk can't have a say in things??

it is not up to you to determine what is relevant or not. who died and made you god??

if you read more carefully, i said lfc should have taken the money for the good of lfc. the money could then be put to good use, by someone who may have a clue with what to do with it.

i feel that parry n co dont want this from anyone, which is a shame for the club and fans.

i assume you can remember the glory days, wouldnt it be nice to see that again? or are you the one who has tunnel vision

you talk about planets or real world, but i think you must join the human race first, your comments are unwarranted and a little unfair

all i was saying was stick to the point.

we were in disagreement about someting, and you decide to be patronising saying that i amuse you. then you start waffling about something which we were not debating, which had no relevance. there's nothing stopping anyone talking about anything, but its quite confusing when you're debating soething with someone, then they suddenly say that you're chatting sh*t (in a roundabout way) then start talking about something else. i suspect the reason you did this was cos you had no answers for what i was saying.

by the way, i still disagree with what you're saying about the takeover. you are still saying that we should take the investment. and your only reason for saying this is.......cos we need money. you are still ignoring the fact that its not just about money, and you are still ignoring my point that its not cos Parry cudnt give a sh*t about the club (and Moores) cos they've already ploughed loads into this club. do i have to spell it out any more.

can please try and answer without saying AGAIN "i think we should take the money cos we need money to bolster the squad"

what about everything else?

by **reddippydick** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 2:04 pm

Not sure why a lot of posters have jumped that the post was knocking Raf, its not. This is about Parry and the others and why there is very little about them discussed on the forum.

We seem to have endless debates about who Raf is going to buy and x is better than y, or yer favourite team etc but very little is discussed about the management.

What is Parry up to and why didn't he accept the money, I don't know and that is whats worrying me. From the days of LFC being a force we are slipping into a comfort zone of acceptance of second best. If this acceptance or "blind faith" is what makes a true fan then it aint for me, I'd rather be what I am and see things as they are.

The importance of the post and its timing is because I believe we are at a make or break point in the league and more than that whether we will remain with the big guns or not. Some fans seem happy to do it on the cheap cos thats what its all about, which I dont think is possible anymore so you guys can dream on and when yer bubble bursts don't run to mummy.

Others seem to have woken up to the fact that despite having a shroud manager that just ain enough any more yer need dosh and we aint got it.

Why havent we got dosh then yer need to direct yer questions at Parry and his mates and I cant understand why most other fans arent of the same opinion. We need to be looking further than the next game.

An LFC fan is someone who supports the team and doesnt mean he has to be blinkered and just talk it all up and cross yer fingers and hope it will all work out.

Dont forget the directors at Newcastle who were recorded in a brothel talling about how the stupid fans pay £49 for replica shirts they buy for £5, now try and tell me this cant happen in any other club. The mist that seems to cloud some fans view is not for me, wak up and see whats happening before its too late.

by **Redrider** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 2:13 pm

Why do we believe that Parry is doing a good job ?
When he has presided over the complete waste of >£100m, lost Macmanaman for zip and sold MO for buttons. As a Chief Executive, his track record is pi$$ poor, if he were CE of any ordinary PLC, he would have been retired a couple of years ago.
I am sorry, I don't hold with all this Blind Faith stuff. I support LFC and I believe in the dream, I have seen them reach the pinnacle and i believe we can get there again, but to do that we need a sharper edge to our business management.
Rafa, looks as though he has the right credentials, but he needs proper financial support, not just some help from a well meaning second string exec' !!

by **Redtribe** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 2:20 pm

Fair enough but what second string management brought in Rafa?

by **jim_morrison_supported_liverpool** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 2:24 pm

i for one minute have not disagreed with the fact that Paryy etc may be incompetent. i have disagreed with people saying that the reason him and others wont have anyone else taking over is for personal selfish reasons, and that their heart isnt really with the club.

i believe him and Moores both have heart with the club, and yes, they probably need replacing due to incompetencies. the main point however is that the club cant be sold to just anyone who says "i've got £70 million - let me in." for all the complaining about the boards incompetencies, what makes you think someone with dough is competent?? what if they say, "eearr Rafa here's £10 million" i want you to make a bid for Kevin Campbell, if they dont accept, tell them they can have Gerrard aswell."

i beleive the board are addressing these things i speak of, and are making their decisions based on this.

by **ronmeister** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 2:26 pm

Well its easy to sit here and say we can do better than parry and co,and a few pple probably could i doubt any of em post here mind,
When he gave GH all he asked for it was wasted the only good buy's he made where cheap one's.So why shouldnt parry be cautious with the lfc Kitty(if he actually is cautious we dont know what rafa has got to spend anyway) like was said somewhere else Rafa has allready spent 20mil since he's been here unlike other managers in the top flight,as for morgan's bid who really cares what a jumped up builder wants he aint no real Liverpool fan all he as done divide the board and divide the fans we turned down the Thai deal and turned out it was good hindsight,No i dont think parry and co are being selfish i think they are being Business men and good business men at that.

by **Redrider** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 2:32 pm

Redtribe wrote:Fair enough but what second string management brought in Rafa?

I think Parry finally had to bite the bullet, when the senior players were talking of walking !! I think his big wake up call was two years ago when Morgan gave him a dressing down in the shareholders meeting.
I don't believe it was his good management that said sack Houllier and employ Rafa, but I do give him some cred' for selecting Rafa.
But I also suspect that it was the big name and reputation of LFC that brought Rafa here and not the Parry magnetism

by **SouthernScouser** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 2:35 pm

Nice heated Debate People !

There seems to be lots of views about the club needing more investement & frustrations with the board etc.
Then someone made the point about not just accepting anyones money cause long term - it might be to the detriment of the club.

Can anyone enlighten me as to why we didn't accept Morgans investment. It was sort of touched on in the sense that he had disrespected the club & acted like a pric*k - what does that mean - what has he actually done to get a lot of peoples backs up ??

And from my own point of view - I do think that Moores etc have always had the clubs best interests at heart - but that doesn't mean they are the best people for the job now - to take us forward..
Having said that, rather than becoming a Chelski (who will probably in my opinion be more like a Blackburn Rovers)
Better the Devil you know - than the Devil you don't

by **Redrider** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 2:43 pm

jim_morrison_supported_liverpool wrote:i believe him and Moores both have heart with the club, and yes, they probably need replacing due to incompetencies. the main point however is that the club cant be sold to just anyone who says "i've got £70 million - let me in."

Jim, agree with the above sentiment wholeheartedly !!
The bit that concerns me is that I suspect that Parry's judgement related to evaluation of any bid's, starts with a preference for the bid that retains the largest amount of control for Parry and the rest of the underperforming management team. When the focus should be on which bid brings in the most money and which leaves in the best position to maximise future earnings.
While Parry prevaricates, we are passing through a period, where if we can strengthen our ailing team, we might save our season or at least ensure that we have CL for next season.

by **stmichael** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 2:44 pm

I think the 'normal' supporter doesn't realise what financial position we are actually in. With Sky and the tabloids shouting out about £21m loses and millions upon millions of debt it's not diffcult to see why.

As for my own opinion. I think we have spent our 'standard' transfer kitty for CL years, and everything else will be extra. People forgot how much we actually spent in the summer and buy into talk of "£30m needed, and we have no money for transfer" and other such b******s.

We are not in a bad financial position, we are pretty much in the same position as we have been for the last 5 or 6 years, it's simply because the stadium and a comprehseive rebuild of the squad have have both come to a head in the same season.

by **andy_g** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 2:48 pm

have to say i go with big jimbo on this one. but i'm not saying (and i don't think he is either) that i'm not interesting in investment in the club and i accept second best. i think we have to be very careful in football these days, there's a hell of a lot of money being invested and not all for the right reasons.

premiership football is an incredibly fashionable, high status phenomena these days and a very tempting plaything for the super rich. if anyone belives abramovich has always been a supporter of english football is naive beyond belief. i don't for a minute believe he would have put that money into a team like villa or middlesboro - a team in the fashionable heart of london is perfect for him to talk about with his fat cat mates over cigars on his yacht. at the moment it looks like his money has been a good thing short term for chelsea - but depending on what happens with the current charges against him that could change completely and leave the team in the sh!t.

likewise we have to be careful with our club. of course we want to see top players week in week oout and we want to see those players liftiing trophies. but if we want that to keep happening we need the foundations to be right. i can't claim to understand all the machinations and dealings regarding moores, parry, morgan L4 etc etc. the good thing about morgan though is that he's a fan of the club - and i'd be tempted to look hard at his offer. but again, i don't personally know what is best.

by **Redrider** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 2:50 pm

SouthernScouser wrote:Can anyone enlighten me as to why we didn't accept Morgans investment. It was sort of touched on in the sense that he had disrespected the club & acted like a pric*k - what does that mean - what has he actually done to get a lot of peoples backs up ??

Morgan has been vocal in shareholders meetings and criticised the management of the club, together with exposing the escalating estimates for the cost of the new stadium.
Probably, no more than an airing of the truth of the situation, but he is held in disrespect for going public.

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