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by **reddippydick** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 11:38 am

I’m amazed at how little the average fan sees when it comes to the club. They only seem to see what is on the pitch but fail to see the strategic issues and is this due to being frustrated with lack of ability to influence, not wanting to or not interested.

For me we are at a crucial stage, we can either p1ss with the big dogs or p1ss like a puppy.

If we had the money Raf could buy what he wants but it seems we are going for the cheap end of the market and the chances of finding a star in these ranks are slim. So where does that leave us, well we are about to have it confirmed that we are no longer a top team able to mix it with Mancs, Chelsea, Arsenal and its happening while we talk about cheap buy 1 is better than cheap buy 2 etc.

Well I’m not intereseted in that cos they aint gonna make us a top team again and I don’t see Raf as another Arsen Wenger.

Who do I blame, well here we are new manager and Parry and his mates turning down money that we need desperately for new players.

How many fans are calling for him to go, no one on the forum so far so that’s what I find so frustrating, wake up you bl00dy lot and open yer eyes to see what’s happening.

by **Roger Red Hat** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 11:42 am

you n@b jockey.

What are you on about now?

do you know???

by **Redrider** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 11:51 am

There is a lot of 'Blind Faith' flowing around these discussion pages.
Don't let your loyalty and support blind you to what is going on. We have been in desparate need of a striker since the start of the season, the loss of Cisse and now Baros has only exacerbated an already poor situation.
If the management were really serious about addressing the situation a star striker would have been lined up and signed on the 1st of Jan. Instead we are poncing around trying to buy 28yr old Morientes on the cheap, Chelsea, Arsenal and Man U, must be laughing their socks off.
Even Everton, managed to get out of the starting blocks and sign Beattie, while we are left trying to justify the importance of the signing of a 33yr old defender.
We now desparately need a playmaker with the loss of Alonso, let's see what happens here !!
Parry and Co, have run out of money and need to act fast to raise some finance to take this great club forward. We are not looking very clever at the moment.
Ok 25 days to go, but I am not holding my breath.

by **jim_morrison_supported_liverpool** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:04 pm

i am astounded at the lack of understanding shown by some "supporters."
some people think real life is like champ mangager or something where if you need a player, you just go and get one.
i am also shocked at how people fail to see how much a good job Benitez has done with a sh*te squad, where most of our best players have been injured or off form.
tell me, do you think Wenger, Ferguson, or Mourinho could have done any more than what Benitez has with his situation? i actually think not. and none of the above have been face with a similar situation either.
then we get, "why are we turning down money from people."
ok then lets just accept a takeover from any c*nt, regardless of his motives, regardless of his attitude and credentials, and lets go and ask Real if we can have Ronaldo for £30 million, and he'll probably arrive the next day, if the champ manager game doesnt crash.

absolutely pathetic. go and support Chelski if you want instant success.

by **maximus** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:20 pm

jim_morrison_supported_liverpool wrote:i am astounded at the lack of understanding shown by some "supporters."
some people think real life is like champ mangager or something where if you need a player, you just go and get one.
i am also shocked at how people fail to see how much a good job Benitez has done with a sh*te squad, where most of our best players have been injured or off form.
tell me, do you think Wenger, Ferguson, or Mourinho could have done any more than what Benitez has with his situation? i actually think not. and none of the above have been face with a similar situation either.
then we get, "why are we turning down money from people."
ok then lets just accept a takeover from any c*nt, regardless of his motives, regardless of his attitude and credentials, and lets go and ask Real if we can have Ronaldo for £30 million, and he'll probably arrive the next day, if the champ manager game doesnt crash.

absolutely pathetic. go and support Chelski if you want instant success.

absolutely agree Jim, the fact is Rafa is the first manager that has been at LFc with virtually no budget to play with for players. To think we are still in touching distance with the 'big three' ast the press call them, with the squad we have and injuries to boot is absolutely remarkable.

Come on guys lets be realistic and SUPPORT the club we all love, and accept that Rafa is working within the constraints he has, and hope that HE does not get pi55ed off with the situation, which is my main fear, players come and go, we CANNOT afford to lose RAFA!!!!!

by **Redtribe** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:23 pm

Yes lets spend a fortune on another player as the Last cheap one we bought (Alonso 10 mill) is out fo 3 months!! I say put in at least a £10 million bid for aimar!!!!!!!!!!!!

by **Stan Laurel** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:23 pm

reddippydick wrote:I’m amazed at how little the average fan sees when it comes to the club. They only seem to see what is on the pitch but fail to see the strategic issues and is this due to being frustrated with lack of ability to influence, not wanting to or not interested.

For me we are at a crucial stage, we can either p1ss with the big dogs or p1ss like a puppy.

If we had the money Raf could buy what he wants but it seems we are going for the cheap end of the market and the chances of finding a star in these ranks are slim. So where does that leave us, well we are about to have it confirmed that we are no longer a top team able to mix it with Mancs, Chelsea, Arsenal and its happening while we talk about cheap buy 1 is better than cheap buy 2 etc.

Well I’m not intereseted in that cos they aint gonna make us a top team again and I don’t see Raf as another Arsen Wenger.

Who do I blame, well here we are new manager and Parry and his mates turning down money that we need desperately for new players.

How many fans are calling for him to go, no one on the forum so far so that’s what I find so frustrating, wake up you bl00dy lot and open yer eyes to see what’s happening.

You are unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You ain't REAL Liverpool supporter!!!

Jim Morrison is right that you are pathetic and go and support Chelsea!!!

by **Redrider** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:24 pm

jim_morrison_supported_liverpool wrote:i am also shocked at how people fail to see how much a good job Benitez has done with a sh*te squad, where most of our best players have been injured or off form.

Exactly the point Jim,
Why is Rafa, having to go round the Surplus Player 'Car Boot' Sales as the poor man of Liverpool and pick up tired 33yr old defenders, when we need a 24 year old Star Striker ?
Answer:
He is not getting the Financial backing from the club, because Parry is holding off acceptance of a £35m cash injection, because he fears that he will lose his job !!
Meanwhile we all stand around declaring loyalty and remain silent as our club slowly slips into decline !!

by **reddippydick** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:25 pm

jim_morrison_supported_liverpool wrote:i am astounded at the lack of understanding shown by some "supporters."

That is the topic my post is covering, the lack of understanding of the bigger picture.

some people think real life is like champ mangager or something where if you need a player, you just go and get one.

There have been numerous offers of money and we don't know why they have been turned down, so your guess is as good as mine. But we need to dosh for decent players and we need it now.

i am also shocked at how people fail to see how much a good job Benitez has done with a sh*te squad, where most of our best players have been injured or off form.

Nobody is having a go at Raf he needs the money to buy decent top drawer players.

tell me, do you think Wenger, Ferguson, or Mourinho could have done any more than what Benitez has with his situation? i actually think not. and none of the above have been face with a similar situation either.

Not sure what yer talking about here.

then we get, "why are we turning down money from people."
ok then lets just accept a takeover from any c*nt, regardless of his motives, regardless of his attitude and credentials, and lets go and ask Real if we can have Ronaldo for £30 million, and he'll probably arrive the next day, if the champ manager game doesnt crash.

but you also dont know what Parry's motive is and why he wont take the dosh but what is certain is is that we need it and now.

absolutely pathetic. go and support Chelski if you want instant success.

Quite happy supporting Liverpool thanks but I dont have blinkered vision.

"i am astounded at the lack of understanding shown by some "supporters."

That is the topic my post is covering, the lack of understanding of the bigger picture.

"some people think real life is like champ mangager or something where if you need a player, you just go and get one. "

There have been numerous offers of money and we don't know why they have been turned down, so your guess is as good as mine. But we need to dosh for decent players and we need it now.

"i am also shocked at how people fail to see how much a good job Benitez has done with a sh*te squad, where most of our best players have been injured or off form."

Nobody is having a go at Raf he needs the money to buy decent top drawer players.

"tell me, do you think Wenger, Ferguson, or Mourinho could have done any more than what Benitez has with his situation? i actually think not. and none of the above have been face with a similar situation either."

Not sure what yer talking about here and nobody is having a go at Raf

"then we get, "why are we turning down money from people."
ok then lets just accept a takeover from any c*nt, regardless of his motives, regardless of his attitude and credentials, and lets go and ask Real if we can have Ronaldo for £30 million, and he'll probably arrive the next day, if the champ manager game doesnt crash."

but you also dont know what Parry's motive is and why he wont take the dosh but what is certain is is that we need it and now.

"absolutely pathetic. go and support Chelski if you want instant success."

Quite happy supporting Liverpool thanks but I dont have blinkered vision.

by **andy_g** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:34 pm

its a real shame that the 'instant success NOW' obsession is spreading to many 'fans' too. maybe the amount of money in the game and certain teams looking like they can buy success or at least persuade any player to come to their club is twisting things too much. and the players are beginning to do it too, they're saying they want success but instead of workng hard for it they'll go somewhere where it might come easier and sooner.

everybody wants to be a superstar DJ, everybody wants to be a pop star, everybody wants to be real f*cking madrid.

and no-one thinks about the real-life situations behind all these things - the real costs. take the once proposed thai deal, for example, we would have got sh!t loads of money and bought a new stadium and 2 or 3 big big players. but could you happily celebrate success built on that kind of money? do people even care how those thais made their money? no, because all some people want is INSTANT SUCCESS. its so bl00dy naive it makes me want to scream.

success comes with patience and hard work. and as far as LFC are concerned benitez shows exemplary patience and exemplary hard work. just because, what, a week into the transfer window we haven't got 2 new superstars already and haven't demanded our CL game with leverkusen be brought forward so we can get nearer success a little sooner people are saying we're losing it for not being up with the 'top 3'. sure its been a long time since we hit the heady heights of the 80s but one day soon we will be back there but it has to be built on solid foundations. we have the beginnings of the team to do that. the financial input when it comes will massively affect the whole future of the club so it has to be handled nvery very carefully. you can't just accpet any old offer for £70m cross your fingers and hope it'll be alright.

by **Redrider** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:34 pm

maximus wrote:absolutely agree Jim, the fact is Rafa is the first manager that has been at LFc with virtually no budget to play with for players. To think we are still in touching distance with the 'big three' ast the press call them, with the squad we have and injuries to boot is absolutely remarkable.

Come on guys lets be realistic and SUPPORT the club we all love, and accept that Rafa is working within the constraints he has, and hope that HE does not get pi55ed off with the situation, which is my main fear, players come and go, we CANNOT afford to lose RAFA!!!!!

Maxi', agree with all of that.
But let's get behind why Rafa is the first LFC Manager with no money to spend !!
The reason is pi$$ poor management by Parry over the years, sanctioning a load of bad transfer deals and now prevaricating on new investment while he maximises his own position.
Being a Supporter of Rafa, does not mean that you are not allowed to criticise the financial management of the club.

by **jim_morrison_supported_liverpool** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:43 pm

reddippydick wrote:
jim_morrison_supported_liverpool wrote:i am astounded at the lack of understanding shown by some "supporters."

That is the topic my post is covering, the lack of understanding of the bigger picture.

some people think real life is like champ mangager or something where if you need a player, you just go and get one.

There have been numerous offers of money and we don't know why they have been turned down, so your guess is as good as mine. But we need to dosh for decent players and we need it now.

i am also shocked at how people fail to see how much a good job Benitez has done with a sh*te squad, where most of our best players have been injured or off form.

Nobody is having a go at Raf he needs the money to buy decent top drawer players.

tell me, do you think Wenger, Ferguson, or Mourinho could have done any more than what Benitez has with his situation? i actually think not. and none of the above have been face with a similar situation either.

Not sure what yer talking about here.

then we get, "why are we turning down money from people."
ok then lets just accept a takeover from any c*nt, regardless of his motives, regardless of his attitude and credentials, and lets go and ask Real if we can have Ronaldo for £30 million, and he'll probably arrive the next day, if the champ manager game doesnt crash.

but you also dont know what Parry's motive is and why he wont take the dosh but what is certain is is that we need it and now.

absolutely pathetic. go and support Chelski if you want instant success.

Quite happy supporting Liverpool thanks but I dont have blinkered vision.

"i am astounded at the lack of understanding shown by some "supporters."

That is the topic my post is covering, the lack of understanding of the bigger picture.

"some people think real life is like champ mangager or something where if you need a player, you just go and get one. "

There have been numerous offers of money and we don't know why they have been turned down, so your guess is as good as mine. But we need to dosh for decent players and we need it now.

"i am also shocked at how people fail to see how much a good job Benitez has done with a sh*te squad, where most of our best players have been injured or off form."

Nobody is having a go at Raf he needs the money to buy decent top drawer players.

"tell me, do you think Wenger, Ferguson, or Mourinho could have done any more than what Benitez has with his situation? i actually think not. and none of the above have been face with a similar situation either."

Not sure what yer talking about here and nobody is having a go at Raf

"then we get, "why are we turning down money from people."
ok then lets just accept a takeover from any c*nt, regardless of his motives, regardless of his attitude and credentials, and lets go and ask Real if we can have Ronaldo for £30 million, and he'll probably arrive the next day, if the champ manager game doesnt crash."

but you also dont know what Parry's motive is and why he wont take the dosh but what is certain is is that we need it and now.

"absolutely pathetic. go and support Chelski if you want instant success."

Quite happy supporting Liverpool thanks but I dont have blinkered vision.

its quite clear from this post that you dont actually understand most of what i said.
you have a comeback for all of my points, sort of trying to make it look like you have an answer, but all you've done is re-iterated that Parry wont give in to Morgan cos he doesnt want to lose his job, and that we should accept any type of money (hence any type of takeover) just cos we need money.

we're talking about somebody to come and TAKE OVER THE WHOLE CLUB here. its not a decision you make lightly and you dont just let any c*nt in just cos he's got dough. you're the one who needs to wake up. all you can see is pound signs and are not addressing all the other implications.

yes we need money but not from just anybody. i think i'm right in saying a good load of Reds fans dont want Morgan cos he's been acting like a pr*ck. those who want him, like you, couldnt give a sh*t about his credentials or the way he's been disrespecting the club, and just want money, so we can buy all these players. you are simplifying the whole thing, and again, it is YOU who isnt seeing the bigger picture. loads of us are happy that Morgan hasnt been able to get his sweaty little hands on our club, cos he''l probably f*ck it up in the long run, whether or not he allows us to buy Juan van Dick-Skills from wherever it is in Brazil he plays.

by **stmichael** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:47 pm

reddippydick wrote:I’m amazed at how little the average fan sees when it comes to the club. They only seem to see what is on the pitch but fail to see the strategic issues and is this due to being frustrated with lack of ability to influence, not wanting to or not interested.

For me we are at a crucial stage, we can either p1ss with the big dogs or p1ss like a puppy.

If we had the money Raf could buy what he wants but it seems we are going for the cheap end of the market and the chances of finding a star in these ranks are slim. So where does that leave us, well we are about to have it confirmed that we are no longer a top team able to mix it with Mancs, Chelsea, Arsenal and its happening while we talk about cheap buy 1 is better than cheap buy 2 etc.

Well I’m not intereseted in that cos they aint gonna make us a top team again and I don’t see Raf as another Arsen Wenger.

Who do I blame, well here we are new manager and Parry and his mates turning down money that we need desperately for new players.

How many fans are calling for him to go, no one on the forum so far so that’s what I find so frustrating, wake up you bl00dy lot and open yer eyes to see what’s happening.

your username just about sums you up kid.

by **Judge** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:58 pm

ive said on another thread, but will repeat it here.

i would take thaksins and morgans money so we can bolster the squad. i feel that parry n co are greedy bas'tards who are just lining their own selfish needs, furthermore, i also think that parry n co dont have the best interests of the club in their sights.

it is quite obvious that money rules football, and until lfc realise this, we will never win the title again

i am also of the opinion that if rafa was given a free role with lots of cash, then we'd have the title next year, of that i'm sure. but not yet with the team we have now

roll on glory for LFC i hope

by **jim_morrison_supported_liverpool** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:58 pm

stmichael wrote:your username just about sums you up kid.

yes ....been poking too many boys bottoms with it.

sorry but harsh that. everyones entitled to an opinion without bein insulted. even if it is a sh*te opinion

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