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by **laza** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:23 pm

Interesting last sentence of the interview

by **RedAnt** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:03 pm

laza wrote:Interesting last sentence of the interview

"Stop talking about it" Yeah Morgan, that stops racism. Wish that young Damiola had thought of that.

by **Kukilon** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:11 pm

RedAnt wrote:
laza wrote:Interesting last sentence of the interview

"Stop talking about it" Yeah Morgan, that stops racism. Wish that young Damiola had thought of that.

His name was Damilola and was killed by other black youth so I'm not sure how that is relevant for the discussion of "racism". Not saying that black people can't be racists.

by **RedAnt** » Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:10 pm

Kukilon wrote:
RedAnt wrote:
laza wrote:Interesting last sentence of the interview

"Stop talking about it" Yeah Morgan, that stops racism. Wish that young Damiola had thought of that.

His name was Damilola and was killed by other black youth so I'm not sure how that is relevant for the discussion of "racism". Not saying that black people can't be racists.

Wrong name, sorry. Stephen Lawrence?

by **Kukilon** » Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:30 pm

RedAnt wrote:
Kukilon wrote:
RedAnt wrote:
laza wrote:Interesting last sentence of the interview

"Stop talking about it" Yeah Morgan, that stops racism. Wish that young Damiola had thought of that.

His name was Damilola and was killed by other black youth so I'm not sure how that is relevant for the discussion of "racism". Not saying that black people can't be racists.

Wrong name, sorry. Stephen Lawrence?

Just read up on it a little and I see your point. They got found guilty though and I bet that they took the premeditation of it into the equation. 16 years in prison is quite a long time for non adults. Had it been black youth killing a black guy for whatever reason I bet the punishment would have been far more lenient. Disgusting crime anyhow.

Let me ask you this question though. Would it matter to you if you got killed for your skin color compared to being killed for your views or your hair color?

Personally i think it would be far worse for society if people where being killed for their their views but that's just my opinion the other two would just be plain stupid.

Not bringing up the issue of racism does not mean that the judicial system can't take it into account. I have also said earlier that the judicial system should not be allowed to discriminate but that goes for everyone. Today the whole world is far to politcal correct in whatever they do. Discriminating white people seems to be more ok than against minority groups etc. In most countries it's not even possible to be punished for hate crimes if it's commited against an individual belonging to the majority group of the population.

Why should native americans have the monopoly on gambling in certain areas? Why should samer have the right to farm reindeers and no one else?

As I said earlier as long as people don't harm you physically or your property they should be able to have whatever views they want and voice them.

by **Kenny Kan** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:51 pm

RedAnt wrote:Bit of a minefield topic this, but I think it's food for thought.

Why is it acceptable to scream hatred at racists, chant, boo, single them out, hang them out to dry, beat 'em up in the streets?

Why is it unacceptable to be racist, to have strong beliefs and to stand by those beliefs, voice those beliefs, fight for those beliefs, to never conform to the masses? Don't racists have rights too that tehy're at liberty to express? They may often express it violently, but they also recieve the same.

Why is it ok to be gay, but to be homophobic is suddenly immoral biggotry?

What are equal rights and liberty?

Why does liberty only work one way?

Should equality only apply when equality is applicable, or should equality extend to all wether they're equal or not?

I'm not racist, or homophobic, nor do I bear any other predjudice. The questions above (though not very well put) are things I often think about. I think healthy debate can open peoples minds to things they'd not considered before. Anyone else think about this stuff?

Interesting topic.

And it is a potential minefield, you're right about that.

It's something that cannot be discussed openly because cultural Marxists love to shut down the very thing they believe in; Equality, liberty and all that social justice stuff.

Just ask our Luis Suarez...

by **dawson99** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:00 pm

Wasn't it on the news lately that 3 korans were burned (which is wrong!!!) so emabssys were burned, civilians beaten close to death... etc etc

The only apology was for the book being burned, no apology over the embassy.

I'm not saying the burning of any holy book is right, or anything but very wrong, but if a bible is burned, so what, its only words, people need to lighten up. There is too much to be scared of of certain religions where even if you draw a picture of a certain figure you're basically dead. Hardly the spirit of goodwill in the 21st century.

there, if that don't start something, nothing will.

by **dawson99** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:45 pm

who saw that show on ch4, the EDL against that nutty Sharia guy?

One of them came out as a better person there!

by **metalhead** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:29 pm

dawson99 wrote:Wasn't it on the news lately that 3 korans were burned (which is wrong!!!) so emabssys were burned, civilians beaten close to death... etc etc

The only apology was for the book being burned, no apology over the embassy.

I'm not saying the burning of any holy book is right, or anything but very wrong, but if a bible is burned, so what, its only words, people need to lighten up. There is too much to be scared of of certain religions where even if you draw a picture of a certain figure you're basically dead. Hardly the spirit of goodwill in the 21st century.

there, if that don't start something, nothing will.

People do care, you don't, but people who devote themselves to religion do, whether you like it or not.

by **Kenny Kan** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:09 am

metalhead wrote:
dawson99 wrote:Wasn't it on the news lately that 3 korans were burned (which is wrong!!!) so emabssys were burned, civilians beaten close to death... etc etc

The only apology was for the book being burned, no apology over the embassy.

I'm not saying the burning of any holy book is right, or anything but very wrong, but if a bible is burned, so what, its only words, people need to lighten up. There is too much to be scared of of certain religions where even if you draw a picture of a certain figure you're basically dead. Hardly the spirit of goodwill in the 21st century.

there, if that don't start something, nothing will.

People do care, you don't, but people who devote themselves to religion do, whether you like it or not.

So it's okay to burn embassy's and kill civilians then?

I don't know whether that's 'devoted or narcissist psychotic'. I'll let you justify your reasoning's...

by **metalhead** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:45 am

Where did I say it's justified? It's idiotic and offensive to retaliate in such a way. It's also idiotic and provocative to burn holy books and draw offensive cartoons that would enrage a lot of people.

The world is filled with idiots, should we act like them?

by **Kenny Kan** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:20 pm

metalhead wrote:Where did I say it's justified? It's idiotic and offensive to retaliate in such a way. It's also idiotic and provocative to burn holy books and draw offensive cartoons that would enrage a lot of people.

The world is filled with idiots, should we act like them?

It's idiotic and provocative to burn poppies and the British flag. You don't see British civilians running around blowing up embassies and killing citizens because of it.

No matter how provocative, you don't act out in such inhuman ways and take lives - especially if you are a "devoted religious" person

or do you

by **babu** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:31 pm

Kenny Kan wrote:
metalhead wrote:Where did I say it's justified? It's idiotic and offensive to retaliate in such a way. It's also idiotic and provocative to burn holy books and draw offensive cartoons that would enrage a lot of people.

The world is filled with idiots, should we act like them?

It's idiotic and provocative to burn poppies and the British flag. You don't see British civilians running around blowing up embassies and killing citizens because of it.

No matter how provocative, you don't act out in such inhuman ways and take lives - especially if you are a "devoted religious" person or do you

It's about core beliefs. If you understand the core beliefs of others, you should not be surprised by the reaction when you violate them.

Violence is never an appropriate reaction. In my opinion violence is a result of the powerful manipulating the ignorant for personal and/or policital agendas. Unfortunately Islam has a high percentage of ignorant and easily misled followers.

In Islam, disrespecting the written word is a sin, disrespecting the holy book ( I referring to the Quran, but it also applies to the old testament and bible) is almost unforgiveable. Unfortunately once again most Muslims forget that the bible is one of the holy books.

In summary, violence stupid, understanding good.

by **metalhead** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:28 pm

well said Babu

by **Kenny Kan** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:18 am

Good post Babu.

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