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by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:43 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:All of the things you are highlighting are the worst possible outcomes.
It was stated in that article wasnt it that there will be 12 million plus any money from player sales ?
If those 2 went for major money as well as the 12 million, whats to say that the new manager wont spend it well ?

All hypothetical at the moment all of what you are saying though.

You believe what our owners are saying ? when have they ever held their word ? going by their past and what they have done do you really think if we earn 100 million on selling players they would then go and give that back to a manager to spend again ? Not in a million years .

The things i have highlighted are fact and true at this present time except the players leaving with at the moment is just specualtion and reports - but if that bit comes true we are well and truely up the creek and will not reach top 4 and will not get back to the heights Rafa had us in europe for 5 seasons .

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:48 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:All of the things you are highlighting are the worst possible outcomes.
It was stated in that article wasnt it that there will be 12 million plus any money from player sales ?
If those 2 went for major money as well as the 12 million, whats to say that the new manager wont spend it well ?

All hypothetical at the moment all of what you are saying though.

You believe what our owners are saying ? when have they ever held their word ? going by their past and what they have done do you really think if we earn 100 million on selling players they would then go and give that back to a manager to spend again ? Not in a million years .

The things i have highlighted are fact and true at this present time except the players leaving with at the moment is just specualtion and reports - but if that bit comes true we are well and truely up the creek and will not reach top 4 and will not get back to the heights Rafa had us in europe for 5 seasons .

IF !!!!

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:49 pm

@ Ben

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:53 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:All of the things you are highlighting are the worst possible outcomes.
It was stated in that article wasnt it that there will be 12 million plus any money from player sales ?
If those 2 went for major money as well as the 12 million, whats to say that the new manager wont spend it well ?

All hypothetical at the moment all of what you are saying though.

You believe what our owners are saying ? when have they ever held their word ? going by their past and what they have done do you really think if we earn 100 million on selling players they would then go and give that back to a manager to spend again ? Not in a million years .

The things i have highlighted are fact and true at this present time except the players leaving with at the moment is just specualtion and reports - but if that bit comes true we are well and truely up the creek and will not reach top 4 and will not get back to the heights Rafa had us in europe for 5 seasons .

IF !!!!

Even IF those things dont happen - we are still in sh.it - up to eyes in debt , not in cl , no money to spend on players , the banks demanding money soon , still no top manager , no investement , still two parasite owners and still have players demanding new players

So tell me what points to us improving next season and getting back up to the top 4 ?

Oh lets not forget no doubt man city etc will be spending a lot more than 12 million . Prob spend more than that on one player - in fact city already have done .

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:53 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote: @ Ben

Good insightful post there - now i see why you were missed while you were away sulking .

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:54 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote: @ Ben

Well that's all it is at the moment ifs and buts.

Maybe the top players will be sold but who knows ?

Lets just wait and see.

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:01 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:All of the things you are highlighting are the worst possible outcomes.
It was stated in that article wasnt it that there will be 12 million plus any money from player sales ?
If those 2 went for major money as well as the 12 million, whats to say that the new manager wont spend it well ?

All hypothetical at the moment all of what you are saying though.

You believe what our owners are saying ? when have they ever held their word ? going by their past and what they have done do you really think if we earn 100 million on selling players they would then go and give that back to a manager to spend again ? Not in a million years .

The things i have highlighted are fact and true at this present time except the players leaving with at the moment is just specualtion and reports - but if that bit comes true we are well and truely up the creek and will not reach top 4 and will not get back to the heights Rafa had us in europe for 5 seasons .

IF !!!!

Even IF those things dont happen - we are still in sh.it - up to eyes in debt , not in cl , no money to spend on players , the banks demanding money soon , still no top manager , no investement , still two parasite owners and still have players demanding new players

So tell me what points to us improving next season and getting back up to the top 4 ?

Oh lets not forget no doubt man city etc will be spending a lot more than 12 million . Prob spend more than that on one player - in fact city already have done .

We would have had all those problems with Rafa.

Now we have them - but dont at the same time have a manager thats making the same mistakes all season and not changing things when he should have been.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:04 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote::D @ Ben

Well that's all it is at the moment ifs and buts.

Maybe the top players will be sold but who knows ?

Lets just wait and see.

exactly. all these doom and gloomers

by **jacdaniel** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:07 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:All of the things you are highlighting are the worst possible outcomes.
It was stated in that article wasnt it that there will be 12 million plus any money from player sales ?
If those 2 went for major money as well as the 12 million, whats to say that the new manager wont spend it well ?

All hypothetical at the moment all of what you are saying though.

You believe what our owners are saying ? when have they ever held their word ? going by their past and what they have done do you really think if we earn 100 million on selling players they would then go and give that back to a manager to spend again ? Not in a million years .

The things i have highlighted are fact and true at this present time except the players leaving with at the moment is just specualtion and reports - but if that bit comes true we are well and truely up the creek and will not reach top 4 and will not get back to the heights Rafa had us in europe for 5 seasons .

IF !!!!

Even IF those things dont happen - we are still in sh.it - up to eyes in debt , not in cl , no money to spend on players , the banks demanding money soon , still no top manager , no investement , still two parasite owners and still have players demanding new players

So tell me what points to us improving next season and getting back up to the top 4 ?

Oh lets not forget no doubt man city etc will be spending a lot more than 12 million . Prob spend more than that on one player - in fact city already have done .

We would have had all those problems with Rafa.

Now we have them - but dont at the same time have a manager thats making the same mistakes all season and not changing things when he should have been.

by the looks of it, we'll have a manager that makes more mistakes, tries to fix them but in the process makes many more.

I liked Rafa and i didnt blame him for everything. I do believe it may have been time for a new manager but the circumstances are all wrong.

no point in getting a new manager if you have no money and cant get someone better.

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:10 pm

i know we still had those problems under Rafa but we had a manager who IMO was good enough to get us back to the top - he had done it before and one poor season doesnt dimish that -

So in a nutshell all this new found positivity comes from the fact we have lost Rafa ?

Under Rafa there was a chance we could of kept certain players IMO - under woy i dont believe we can - under Kenny then yes maybe but if Kenny was going to get the job then he would have it by now . Woy for the owners is perfect - he wont cause trouble for them and is used to working with decent prem players as IMO our world class players are going .

Replacing Rafa is not the blessing the club needed like people think - replacing Rafa wont win us the title we all crave , replacing Rafa wont open the floodgates for billionares to join the club , it wont start all these world class players looking to join us .

There is only one thing that will help us and thats replacing the owners - i can go on record and say that i believe we will finish in the top ten - just no higher than last season -

Im happy for you to quote me on that and if im wrong come back and say i told you so .

We will get worse under our current owners and it wont change until they are gone .

We are looking to replace a trophy winning manager who has walked straight into a job with the current Italian and European Champions with a manager who is being lauded for not getting Fulham relegated .

What are your expectations for the coming season ?

by **jacdaniel** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:23 pm

There is only one thing that will help us and thats replacing the owners

Very true. We've been going backwards due to our inability to compete in the transfer market.
Other teams have been outspending us and are now catching up. It was embarrasing last year when we approached Stoke about taking one of their players on loan.
We need owners who can invest and the improve the squad for the short term. That will get us back up there. Then the new stadium should help push us towards the top again.

Although David Moores realised this 7 years ago, none of it has happened yet.
The reality is we are a top 6 team now.

by **South East Kop** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:31 pm

Steven Gerrard contract agreed with Real Madrid

http://www.koptalk.co.uk/2010061....id.html

by **jacdaniel** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:38 pm

South East Kop wrote:Steven Gerrard contract agreed with Real Madrid

http://www.koptalk.co.uk/2010061....id.html

Id say thats rubbish. In the papers today it is been reported that Real are no longer interested in Gerrard due to the price. They are after Danielle de Rossi of Roma instead.

And 17m for Gerrard? Thats the same price we paid for Johnson lol. Id cry if he went for that.

Koptalk is full of s.*i*e

by **South East Kop** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:45 pm

Thats the sort of responce i was hoping for, JacDaniel!

by **jacdaniel** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:47 pm

South East Kop wrote:Thats the sort of responce i was hoping for, JacDaniel!

haha, glad to give it.

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