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by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 1:04 pm

tonyeh wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:On the question of support, from a personal point of view, the new manager will have my support until it isn't there any more

A liverpool manager should have the support no matter what until he is no longer liverpool manager - its what we always used to do - obviously things have changed .

So basically you will support him until you decide for what ever reason to stop supporting - great unconditional support there

A liverpool manager should have the support no matter what until he is no longer liverpool manager

You see, this is bollocks though.

What you're saying here is that, even if a manager sold off crucial star players, dropped us into the religation zone and generally fucked everything up, that he should be blindly supported no matter what?

That's cobblers.

So basically you will support him until you decide for what ever reason to stop supporting - great unconditional support there

Ok, you're deliberately playing the gobshite again.

Let me make this VERY CLEAR FOR YOU...

The manager, no matter who he is or has been, will recieve (and has received) my support, until HIS actions force(d) me to think otherwise.

You've had more than enough chances to understand what's being said here. If Ben can get in one, there's no reason you can't.

What you're saying here is that, even if a manager sold off crucial star players, dropped us into the religation zone and generally fucked everything up, that he should be blindly supported no matter what?

I know plenty of people who still supported souness throughout his years despite what we were going through at the time becuase thats the way they were brought up to support their team .

by **flamingpoe** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 1:05 pm

i think we r'nt as :censored:

as i think we could be at the end of the day all we need to do is get rid of these 2 douchebag owners ^^, as they say at the end of the day its gotta get worse to get better........
if mascherano leaves then we should get good money for him and there are other centre mids/ centre defensive mids in the world that would not only be cheaper but they can be just as good, coincidentally miguel veloso is supposed to be up for grabs and he is a great cdm i think we could personally get him cheaper than what we sell masch for so we shud buy him
a peculiar thing is i know this may seem stupid but if we get good money for lots of players, then we could end up with a half decent team, also i would prefer to use kuyt as a second striker in the second team because maxi would be better going down the right, we did not use him no wear near enuf last season and its a waste of a old players talents, its a bit like chelsea have quaresma and they dint practically use him for the entirety of last season, he would be going cheap i bet, and its another english team destroying what was a good players talents on the sidelines, lets face it we all thought what a waste of owens talents, and lets face it he went to real madrid and ever since he was never the same..........i am watching maxi playing well for argentina atm

for centre mids though that i reckon would be obtainable for masch's fee i would say is.....miguel veloso, yaya toure, nuri sahin, ever banega and there is tons more
as for our team is screwed then we still have some of the top youth talent in europe i watched a show toughting the top 100 youth talent in the world of football and we had no joke like 5 or 6 in the top 50.........dani pacheco which we shud use more!!!, daniel ayala rated as one of the best defenders in this youth chart!, hobbs who is a good little talent, vitor coutinha flora who they say is a devastating attacking mid oooo i for its 6 lol!, nabil el zhar who they do say is a very talented winger and last but not least they say as one of the best left wing backs is emiliano insua

so never us mind if it does go wrong we never know, my view is if i went in as manager, i would sell lots of our players and replace them with other players easily, kuyt i know i like him now but he would be gone, mascherano, lucas, benayoun would also be casualties if i was to replace for about the same price i would be thinking like this........mascherano, i would be looking for one of those 4 mids i said earlier same as lucas, benayoun and kuyt would make way for 2 decentish strikers i would look for players like.......marcelo moreno, ezequiel lavezzi, jeremy menez, carlos vela, park chu young and there is many more, so i know it wont and probably cant happen but i can but hope, keep up the good fight

^^ haha

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 1:16 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:What you're saying here is that, even if a manager sold off crucial star players, dropped us into the religation zone and generally fucked everything up, that he should be blindly supported no matter what?

I know plenty of people who still supported souness throughout his years despite what we were going through at the time becuase thats the way they were brought up to support their team .

And do you agree with those supporters that its the best thing to do ?

Or do we have common sense and if something isnt working after a period of time try something new ?

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 1:22 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:What you're saying here is that, even if a manager sold off crucial star players, dropped us into the religation zone and generally fucked everything up, that he should be blindly supported no matter what?

I know plenty of people who still supported souness throughout his years despite what we were going through at the time becuase thats the way they were brought up to support their team .

And do you agree with those supporters that its the best thing to do ?

Or do we have common sense and if something isnt working after a period of time try something new ?

Only if there is better options available and things at the club are solid enough to make changes - changing the manager during this summer wasnt the main thing that needed doing and IMO has and will make things worse .

And how long is this period of time ?

by **tonyeh** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 1:30 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
tonyeh wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:On the question of support, from a personal point of view, the new manager will have my support until it isn't there any more

A liverpool manager should have the support no matter what until he is no longer liverpool manager - its what we always used to do - obviously things have changed .

So basically you will support him until you decide for what ever reason to stop supporting - great unconditional support there

A liverpool manager should have the support no matter what until he is no longer liverpool manager

You see, this is bollocks though.

What you're saying here is that, even if a manager sold off crucial star players, dropped us into the religation zone and generally fucked everything up, that he should be blindly supported no matter what?

That's cobblers.

So basically you will support him until you decide for what ever reason to stop supporting - great unconditional support there

Ok, you're deliberately playing the gobshite again.

Let me make this VERY CLEAR FOR YOU...

The manager, no matter who he is or has been, will recieve (and has received) my support, until HIS actions force(d) me to think otherwise.

You've had more than enough chances to understand what's being said here. If Ben can get in one, there's no reason you can't.

What you're saying here is that, even if a manager sold off crucial star players, dropped us into the religation zone and generally fucked everything up, that he should be blindly supported no matter what?

I know plenty of people who still supported souness throughout his years despite what we were going through at the time becuase thats the way they were brought up to support their team .

So, if you had your way, you'd still be supporting Graeme Souness, even with all the terrible decisions he made?

That's just laughable.

See? ---> :laugh:

by **7_Kewell** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 1:37 pm

tonyeh wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
tonyeh wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:On the question of support, from a personal point of view, the new manager will have my support until it isn't there any more

A liverpool manager should have the support no matter what until he is no longer liverpool manager - its what we always used to do - obviously things have changed .

So basically you will support him until you decide for what ever reason to stop supporting - great unconditional support there

A liverpool manager should have the support no matter what until he is no longer liverpool manager

You see, this is bollocks though.

What you're saying here is that, even if a manager sold off crucial star players, dropped us into the religation zone and generally fucked everything up, that he should be blindly supported no matter what?

That's cobblers.

So basically you will support him until you decide for what ever reason to stop supporting - great unconditional support there

Ok, you're deliberately playing the gobshite again.

Let me make this VERY CLEAR FOR YOU...

The manager, no matter who he is or has been, will recieve (and has received) my support, until HIS actions force(d) me to think otherwise.

You've had more than enough chances to understand what's being said here. If Ben can get in one, there's no reason you can't.

What you're saying here is that, even if a manager sold off crucial star players, dropped us into the religation zone and generally fucked everything up, that he should be blindly supported no matter what?

I know plenty of people who still supported souness throughout his years despite what we were going through at the time becuase thats the way they were brought up to support their team .

So, if you had your way, you'd still be supporting Graeme Souness, even with all the terrible decisions he made?

That's just laughable.

See? --->

Get souness back :laugh:

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 1:46 pm

If souness was still liverpool manager then yes he would get my support . But he is not and he had his chance and unfortunatly it didnt work out but your certainly not going to see me give him abuse like some give managers on here .

by **tonyeh** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 1:51 pm

If Souness was still Liverpool manager we'd be in the Vauxhall Conference, or whatever the hell it's called these days.

If you cannot see the silliness in your stance, then there is no hope for you.

You'd rather see the club ground down to nothing, because you're afraid of doubting the manager's abilities?

This guy's still laughing ---> :laugh:

and he's been joined by this lad too ---> :laugh:

by **In and Out** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 2:10 pm

tonyeh wrote:If Souness was still Liverpool manager we'd be in the Vauxhall Conference, or whatever the hell it's called these days.

If you cannot see the silliness in your stance, then there is no hope for you.

You'd rather see the club ground down to nothing, because you're afraid of doubting the manager's abilities?

This guy's still laughing --->

and he's been joined by this lad too --->

I'd give up conveying with that one if I was you.

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 2:23 pm

tonyeh wrote:If Souness was still Liverpool manager we'd be in the Vauxhall Conference, or whatever the hell it's called these days.

If you cannot see the silliness in your stance, then there is no hope for you.

You'd rather see the club ground down to nothing, because you're afraid of doubting the manager's abilities?

This guy's still laughing --->

and he's been joined by this lad too --->

Hold on a minute - where does it say i dont doubt managers ability ? So because i decide to support someone when they represent my club thats silly is it now ?

Where have i stated that i would rather see the club run to the ground ?

by **tonyeh** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 2:55 pm

Oh forget it.

I'm just going for a pint with these lads and we'll continue laughing at you.

:laugh:

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:07 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:If souness was still liverpool manager then yes he would get my support . But he is not and he had his chance and unfortunatly it didnt work out but your certainly not going to see me give him abuse like some give managers on here .

just like with Rafa :nod

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:11 pm

tonyeh wrote:Oh forget it.

I'm just going for a pint with these lads and we'll continue laughing at you.

Of you trot then and dont let the door smash you on your way out

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by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:13 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:If souness was still liverpool manager then yes he would get my support . But he is not and he had his chance and unfortunatly it didnt work out but your certainly not going to see me give him abuse like some give managers on here .

just like with Rafa

Obviously the abuse wasnt aimed at yourself .

Anyway shall we go back to previous convo

Quote (Ben Patrick @ June 17 2010,11:50)
I am prepared for it yes.

But in my opinion it couldnt have got much worse.
We were THAT bad.
Even if we lost Gerrard and Torres i think we will still have a better season than last season.

Really ?!

Were we really that far behind sneaking into 4th ? we had torres and gerrard at points during the season imagine what it would of been without them two all season because that could easily happen in the coming season - as well as without masher and yossi and possibly johnson .

No money , club in massive debt , no manager , two parasites for owners , chairman and md who know nothign about football , no cl footy ,big world class players reportedly looking to leave and any money earnt from those sales going to pay off debts and you really think it cant get any worse ?

What is the positive to look forward too that gives anyone the idea we will have a better season ?

The teams above us are going to improve and going to spend a lot of money doing so as well - if anything the gap between them is going to get bigger and bigger .

The only thing that could stop all this happening isnt sacking manager its getting new owners

All the players , well the main ones stated numerous times that we need investment and new players - well how do you think they will feel when that doesnt happen ?

12 million budget apparently ?? the teams above spend that on one back up or up and coming kid .

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:39 pm

All of the things you are highlighting are the worst possible outcomes.
It was stated in that article wasnt it that there will be 12 million plus any money from player sales ?
If those 2 went for major money as well as the 12 million, whats to say that the new manager wont spend it well ?

All hypothetical at the moment all of what you are saying though.

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