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by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:49 am

Igor Zidane wrote:I notice all the people who are screaming for our support to get behind the new manager , are the very same ones who were screaming for the last managers head . So support is unconditional now is it , but only when yer feel like hey . THE LIVERPOOL WAY MY @RSE .

Spot on Igor , hypocritical beyond belief .

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:57 am

Ben Patrick wrote:Fair enough Igor, you have said that but there are others that are saying that if Roy comes in then thats it.

I am not sure how much time the new man will be afforded by the fans.
What i am sure of is that Rafa had plenty of time though.

Whoever the manager is will get full support until the day he leaves just like every single manager before had and that includes Souey. Doesn't mean I want an average joe as manager but when average Joe does get the job I will support him no matter what until the day he leaves - can the fickle ones say that ? Tonyeh has already said he will support new manager until things go wrong - that to me is wrong and it was evident with the abuse rafa go - no doubt the new manager will get the same abuse when things don't go the way some fans want and we don't win the title . Some people wanted a manager change in belief the football results will be better than the previous manager - he question is what happens when they show to be worse which is a scenario that is likely ?

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:14 am

Benny The Noon wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:Fair enough Igor, you have said that but there are others that are saying that if Roy comes in then thats it.

I am not sure how much time the new man will be afforded by the fans.
What i am sure of is that Rafa had plenty of time though.

Whoever the manager is will get full support until the day he leaves just like every single manager before had and that includes Souey. Doesn't mean I want an average joe as manager but when average Joe does get the job I will support him no matter what until the day he leaves - can the fickle ones say that ? Tonyeh has already said he will support new manager until things go wrong - that to me is wrong and it was evident with the abuse rafa go - no doubt the new manager will get the same abuse when things don't go the way some fans want and we don't win the title . Some people wanted a manager change in belief the football results will be better than the previous manager - he question is what happens when they show to be worse which is a scenario that is likely ?

See what you do, is take a comment someone makes and just take a tiny part of it to change what he was saying and make it look like you are right.

Tonyeh actually didnt say he will support just until things go wrong.
He actually said its a combination of things over 5 or 6 years that led him to believe that we needed a new manager.
He has stated it wasnt just results but the style of play and baffling decisions etc etc etc.
But what you do is choose to twist his post in an effort to make it seem like people who wanted the manager to go where being unsupportive.
That's not the case at all.
If someone comes in and results dont go well initially i am sure that people will give the new man a chance.

Well apart from the ones that are still harbouring feelings about our previous manager that is.

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:50 am

How sure are you though ? For years and years Liverpool fans stuck by their own and supported them no matter what while they pulled on a Liverpool shirt or they managed the team - NO MATTER WHAT - when did it all change ? When did we as Liverpool fans turn on our own manager or players when things didn't go the way they wanted ? Liverpool as a club was built on togetherness and as a family and looking after each other through the good times and bad - when did it all change to the point where a manager or player representing Liverpool where getting so much abuse ? As for twisting what tonyeh said I see you ignored the rest of my post and concentrated on one point and it's a point I still stick by - certain people will support a new manager but I can guarentee they will be the first to demand his head when things don't go the way they want . As I said are you prepared for the fact a new manager won't change our results from last season and we could even end up further down the table ?

by **NANNY RED** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:55 am

Ben Patrick wrote:If someone comes in and results dont go well initially i am sure that people will give the new man a chance.

Well apart from the ones that are still harbouring feelings about our previous manager that is.

Ben you know i was one of Rafas biggest fans ,still am mate , but whoever comes in will have my support at the match, i mighten think there good enough but i would never turn vocaly against anyone associated with this club, Apart from the obvious like, Obviously everyone has a different and preferred choice of manager but im positive who ever eventualy comes in with get the support from even the most ardent Rafa support .

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:22 am

Benny The Noon wrote:How sure are you though ? For years and years Liverpool fans stuck by their own and supported them no matter what while they pulled on a Liverpool shirt or they managed the team - NO MATTER WHAT - when did it all change ? When did we as Liverpool fans turn on our own manager or players when things didn't go the way they wanted ? Liverpool as a club was built on togetherness and as a family and looking after each other through the good times and bad - when did it all change to the point where a manager or player representing Liverpool where getting so much abuse ? As for twisting what tonyeh said I see you ignored the rest of my post and concentrated on one point and it's a point I still stick by - certain people will support a new manager but I can guarentee they will be the first to demand his head when things don't go the way they want . As I said are you prepared for the fact a new manager won't change our results from last season and we could even end up further down the table ?

I am very sure. Last season when things were shocking the fans at the match still backed the manager and got behind the players.
So i feel that will happen if results are not what we would want this coming season.

I am prepared to give a new manager a chance definately.

Are you prepared for the possibility that the new manager might not fail and results might improve ?
You talk as if its a guarantee that things will get worse.

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:32 am

Ben Patrick wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:How sure are you though ? For years and years Liverpool fans stuck by their own and supported them no matter what while they pulled on a Liverpool shirt or they managed the team - NO MATTER WHAT - when did it all change ? When did we as Liverpool fans turn on our own manager or players when things didn't go the way they wanted ? Liverpool as a club was built on togetherness and as a family and looking after each other through the good times and bad - when did it all change to the point where a manager or player representing Liverpool where getting so much abuse ? As for twisting what tonyeh said I see you ignored the rest of my post and concentrated on one point and it's a point I still stick by - certain people will support a new manager but I can guarentee they will be the first to demand his head when things don't go the way they want . As I said are you prepared for the fact a new manager won't change our results from last season and we could even end up further down the table ?

I am very sure. Last season when things were shocking the fans at the match still backed the manager and got behind the players.
So i feel that will happen if results are not what we would want this coming season.

I am prepared to give a new manager a chance definately.

Are you prepared for the possibility that the new manager might not fail and results might improve ?
You talk as if its a guarantee that things will get worse.

Fans at the match always back the manager Ben - im talking about people on here . Fans at the match are different to people (majority) on here .

Oh i will be more than over the moon if results are better but everything IMO points to them going to get worse yet you talk as if its a guarentee that a new manager will do better than last season - are you prepared for it if its worse ?

There is more things pointing towards it being a worse season at this present time .

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:50 am

I am prepared for it yes.

But in my opinion it couldnt have got much worse.
We were THAT bad.
Even if we lost Gerrard and Torres i think we will still have a better season than last season.

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:04 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:I am prepared for it yes.

But in my opinion it couldnt have got much worse.
We were THAT bad.
Even if we lost Gerrard and Torres i think we will still have a better season than last season.

Really ?!

Were we really that far behind sneaking into 4th ? we had torres and gerrard at points during the season imagine what it would of been without them two all season because that could easily happen in the coming season - as well as without masher and yossi and possibly johnson .

No money , club in massive debt , no manager , two parasites for owners , chairman and md who know nothign about football , no cl footy ,big world class players reportedly looking to leave and any money earnt from those sales going to pay off debts and you really think it cant get any worse ?

What is the positive to look forward too that gives anyone the idea we will have a better season ?

The teams above us are going to improve and going to spend a lot of money doing so as well - if anything the gap between them is going to get bigger and bigger .

The only thing that could stop all this happening isnt sacking manager its getting new owners

All the players , well the main ones stated numerous times that we need investment and new players - well how do you think they will feel when that doesnt happen ?

12 million budget apparently ?? the teams above spend that on one back up or up and coming kid .

by **tonyeh** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:08 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:Fair enough Igor, you have said that but there are others that are saying that if Roy comes in then thats it.

I am not sure how much time the new man will be afforded by the fans.
What i am sure of is that Rafa had plenty of time though.

Whoever the manager is will get full support until the day he leaves just like every single manager before had and that includes Souey. Doesn't mean I want an average joe as manager but when average Joe does get the job I will support him no matter what until the day he leaves - can the fickle ones say that ? Tonyeh has already said he will support new manager until things go wrong - that to me is wrong and it was evident with the abuse rafa go - no doubt the new manager will get the same abuse when things don't go the way some fans want and we don't win the title . Some people wanted a manager change in belief the football results will be better than the previous manager - he question is what happens when they show to be worse which is a scenario that is likely ?

See what you do, is take a comment someone makes and just take a tiny part of it to change what he was saying and make it look like you are right.

Tonyeh actually didnt say he will support just until things go wrong.
He actually said its a combination of things over 5 or 6 years that led him to believe that we needed a new manager.
He has stated it wasnt just results but the style of play and baffling decisions etc etc etc.
But what you do is choose to twist his post in an effort to make it seem like people who wanted the manager to go where being unsupportive.
That's not the case at all.
If someone comes in and results dont go well initially i am sure that people will give the new man a chance.

Well apart from the ones that are still harbouring feelings about our previous manager that is.

Yep.

Benny, read this again.

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:11 pm

tonyeh wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:Fair enough Igor, you have said that but there are others that are saying that if Roy comes in then thats it.

I am not sure how much time the new man will be afforded by the fans.
What i am sure of is that Rafa had plenty of time though.

Whoever the manager is will get full support until the day he leaves just like every single manager before had and that includes Souey. Doesn't mean I want an average joe as manager but when average Joe does get the job I will support him no matter what until the day he leaves - can the fickle ones say that ? Tonyeh has already said he will support new manager until things go wrong - that to me is wrong and it was evident with the abuse rafa go - no doubt the new manager will get the same abuse when things don't go the way some fans want and we don't win the title . Some people wanted a manager change in belief the football results will be better than the previous manager - he question is what happens when they show to be worse which is a scenario that is likely ?

See what you do, is take a comment someone makes and just take a tiny part of it to change what he was saying and make it look like you are right.

Tonyeh actually didnt say he will support just until things go wrong.
He actually said its a combination of things over 5 or 6 years that led him to believe that we needed a new manager.
He has stated it wasnt just results but the style of play and baffling decisions etc etc etc.
But what you do is choose to twist his post in an effort to make it seem like people who wanted the manager to go where being unsupportive.
That's not the case at all.
If someone comes in and results dont go well initially i am sure that people will give the new man a chance.

Well apart from the ones that are still harbouring feelings about our previous manager that is.

Yep.

Benny, read this again.

On the question of support, from a personal point of view, the new manager will have my support until it isn't there any more

A liverpool manager should have the support no matter what until he is no longer liverpool manager - its what we always used to do - obviously things have changed .

So basically you will support him until you decide for what ever reason to stop supporting - great unconditional support there

by **Bad Bob** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:23 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:A liverpool manager should have the support no matter what until he is no longer liverpool manager - its what we always used to do - obviously things have changed .

So basically you will support him until you decide for what ever reason to stop supporting - great unconditional support there

F.uck me this is getting tedious now. No one gets 100% support 100% of the time they're in charge--not monarchs, not presidents, not dictators and not football managers. And nor should they or discussing football would be beyond boring on places like this. As has already been made clear, Rafa got strong backing in the ground and his successor will too. That's the Liverpool Way. This place, however, is an internet message board where we discuss views on the manager, the players, the owners etc. It's a place for debate not straightjacketed consensus and airing frustrations and concerns does not make you less of a fan. I really wish people would accept that basic, fundamental premise about the role of this forum. It would surely make discussion a lot more worthwhile.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:32 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:A liverpool manager should have the support no matter what until he is no longer liverpool manager - its what we always used to do - obviously things have changed .

So basically you will support him until you decide for what ever reason to stop supporting - great unconditional support there

F.uck me this is getting tedious now. No one gets 100% support 100% of the time they're in charge--not monarchs, not presidents, not dictators and not football managers. And nor should they or discussing football would be beyond boring on places like this. As has already been made clear, Rafa got strong backing in the ground and his successor will too. That's the Liverpool Way. This place, however, is an internet message board where we discuss views on the manager, the players, the owners etc. It's a place for debate not straightjacketed consensus and airing frustrations and concerns does not make you less of a fan. I really wish people would accept that basic, fundamental premise about the role of this forum. It would surely make discussion a lot more worthwhile.

you sound like a wife :rasp

good post nonetheless, though it maybe be illogical to some.

by **tonyeh** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:33 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:On the question of support, from a personal point of view, the new manager will have my support until it isn't there any more

A liverpool manager should have the support no matter what until he is no longer liverpool manager - its what we always used to do - obviously things have changed .

So basically you will support him until you decide for what ever reason to stop supporting - great unconditional support there

A liverpool manager should have the support no matter what until he is no longer liverpool manager

You see, this is bollocks though.

What you're saying here is that, even if a manager sold off crucial star players, dropped us into the religation zone and generally fucked everything up, that he should be blindly supported no matter what?

That's cobblers.

So basically you will support him until you decide for what ever reason to stop supporting - great unconditional support there

Ok, you're deliberately playing the gobshite again.

Let me make this VERY CLEAR FOR YOU...

The manager, no matter who he is or has been, will recieve (and has received) my support, until HIS actions force(d) me to think otherwise.

You've had more than enough chances to understand what's being said here. If Ben can get in one, there's no reason you can't.

by **In and Out** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:34 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:A liverpool manager should have the support no matter what until he is no longer liverpool manager - its what we always used to do - obviously things have changed .

So basically you will support him until you decide for what ever reason to stop supporting - great unconditional support there

F.uck me this is getting tedious now. No one gets 100% support 100% of the time they're in charge--not monarchs, not presidents, not dictators and not football managers. And nor should they or discussing football would be beyond boring on places like this. As has already been made clear, Rafa got strong backing in the ground and his successor will too. That's the Liverpool Way. This place, however, is an internet message board where we discuss views on the manager, the players, the owners etc. It's a place for debate not straightjacketed consensus and airing frustrations and concerns does not make you less of a fan. I really wish people would accept that basic, fundamental premise about the role of this forum. It would surely make discussion a lot more worthwhile.

Well said.

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