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by **tonyeh** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:16 am

Igor Zidane wrote:
tonyeh wrote:Benitez had his chances and his support Igor.

Tell yer what mate , lets just see how much support roy gets and for how long . Your probably right about Rafa , but the way people spoke about him on here and other forums was a disgrace . Poor roy hasn't got a leg to stand on . Unless we see finishing 6th with rafa 's team as a success now.I can see it now "well he did a better job than rafa did " totally forgetting the five previous season's before hand . Look i'll give roy my total support like i have every liverpool manager , but i'm telling you now mate . The way are fanbase is now , there's alot that will expect alteast 4th place . There's no realism anymore .

IF Roy is the manager.

On the question of support, from a personal point of view, the new manager will have my support until it isn't there any more. The exact same way that Benitez had it. It was Benitez himself, with his bizarre decisions, weird habits and stubborn illogical mannerisms that brought me to the position whereby I felt he had to go. Nothing else.

Speaking of "Roy", we can already see how much support he's getting from some quarters...and he hasn't even been approached for feckin job.

by **In and Out** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:18 am

tonyeh wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
tonyeh wrote:Benitez had his chances and his support Igor.

Tell yer what mate , lets just see how much support roy gets and for how long . Your probably right about Rafa , but the way people spoke about him on here and other forums was a disgrace . Poor roy hasn't got a leg to stand on . Unless we see finishing 6th with rafa 's team as a success now.I can see it now "well he did a better job than rafa did " totally forgetting the five previous season's before hand . Look i'll give roy my total support like i have every liverpool manager , but i'm telling you now mate . The way are fanbase is now , there's alot that will expect alteast 4th place . There's no realism anymore .

IF Roy is the manager.

On the question of support, from a personal point of view, the new manager will have my support until it isn't there any more. The exact same way that Benitez had it. It was Benitez himself, with his bizarre decisions, weird habits and stubborn illogical mannerisms that brought me to the position whereby I felt he had to go. Nothing else.

Speaking of "Roy", we can already see how much support he's getting from some quarters...and he hasn't even been approached for feckin job.

Agreed. Well said.

by **In and Out** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:27 am

Everyone thinks they're are right.

Which is a good thing (differing opinions) but it tends to go a little to far when one is accused of being an "alter-ego"

by **zarababe** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:30 am

... or fickle

by **In and Out** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:33 am

zarababe wrote:... or fickle

Okay, fair enough I take back what I said.

Friends (with differing opinions)?

by **zarababe** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:54 am

In and Out wrote:
zarababe wrote:... or fickle

Okay, fair enough I take back what I said.

Friends (with differing opinions)?

.. let just agree to have differing views..

by **Reg** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:57 am

Ok - a neutral comment copied from The Times newspaper today, its well written:

Jim B June 16, 2010 1:08 AM

The hierarchy asked Kenny to help them find a new manager. They told the fans they were asking him to be involved in that search. They used the man's reputation and the fans' deep respect for him to try and distract supporters from the true reasons a search was even taking place.

The outgoing manager, love or hate him, asked for a guarantee that funds brought in from sales could be reinvested in an effort to maintain or improve the strength of the squad. That was all he asked for. He's now someone else's manager, that simple guarantee unforthcoming.

Kenny's name behind the appointment of the new manager would show the hierarchy accepted their own shortcomings. Their experience and knowledge of the football side of their business was lacking, but at least they knew the value of the opinions of someone who first arrived at Anfield 33 years ago and never truly left. Kenny was being used to add some authenticity.

They never expected Kenny to identify himself as the best candidate. And now all of a sudden it seems the hierarchy don't respect his opinions after all.

Could it be Kenny would find out the truth about the plans of the hierarchy and would not keep quiet about it? Christian Purslow wouldn't be able to force Kenny out if he started speaking up about missing transfer money.

Kenny wouldn't put himself forward if he didn't think he could do the job better than anyone else. He wouldn't offer without first checking with trusted confidantes. And he wouldn't stay a moment longer than it was right for him to do so.

The hierarchy don't have a single valid footballing reason to ignore the advice of the expert they enlisted.

This decision has turned into something much wider-ranging than who gets to pick the team next season. This decision could well show the hierarchy up for what they really are.

by **zarababe** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 1:02 am

Exactly .. this what all the anxiety is about.. a hierarchy able to close itself and do its wheeling and dealing.. something the last incumbent exposed.. and Kenny would not be a fool to endorse

Thank you - this article needs publicising..

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:48 am

Greavesie wrote:I feel like finding some quotes by those people about what they said about Rafa.

go on mate

just to be clear, the so called "antis" wanted rafa gone purely for footballing reasons. but that does not mean we do not acknowledge the owners need to be kicked out as well.

by **J*o*n*D*o*e** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:29 am

Igor Zidane wrote:I notice all the people who are screaming for our support to get behind the new manager , are the very same ones who were screaming for the last managers head . So support is unconditional now is it , but only when yer feel like hey . THE LIVERPOOL WAY MY @RSE .

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:19 am

J*o*n*D*o*e wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:I notice all the people who are screaming for our support to get behind the new manager , are the very same ones who were screaming for the last managers head . So support is unconditional now is it , but only when yer feel like hey . THE LIVERPOOL WAY MY @RSE .

So we have a manager thats had a chance and failed that people lose faith with and come to the conclusion that we need a change. We have the fans on the other side that are saying support him it wasnt his fault, the conditions he was working under are to blame etc.
The manager is sacked and talk of a new manager is being whispered. But the people who bang on about support are now saying this manager is not good enough before he has even had a meeting with anyone at the club, never mind set foot in the door and played a game.
If you lot cant see thats hypocrisy then i am amazed.
Yes things have turned full circle regarding supporting the manager etc.
But like Tonyeh said there is a reason for that - Rafa lost his support with alot of fans over a period of time. They didnt just make a snap erratic judgement. He was given a chance but in the end in a lot of peoples opinions he wasnt upto it.
Alot disagree and thats fair enough.
But to not even give a new manager a chance when banging on about supporting makes me smile a little to say the least.

by **In and Out** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:52 am

I actually think this is a good football forum because people are allowed to offer their views no matter how differing they are.

I support the club and team, it is my prerogative to say and feel (if I actually believe) that I don't think a manager has optimised the talents at his disposal. Likewise, people can offer the same or opposing opinions, but surely this shouldn't make either a "worse" supporter than the other.

But I've had a run in with a couple of posters on here and at this stage I will put it down to their emotions over Rafa leaving and dislodging decent debate.

by **Igor Zidane** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:56 am

Ben Patrick wrote:
J*o*n*D*o*e wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:I notice all the people who are screaming for our support to get behind the new manager , are the very same ones who were screaming for the last managers head . So support is unconditional now is it , but only when yer feel like hey . THE LIVERPOOL WAY MY @RSE .

So we have a manager thats had a chance and failed that people lose faith with and come to the conclusion that we need a change. We have the fans on the other side that are saying support him it wasnt his fault, the conditions he was working under are to blame etc.
The manager is sacked and talk of a new manager is being whispered. But the people who bang on about support are now saying this manager is not good enough before he has even had a meeting with anyone at the club, never mind set foot in the door and played a game.
If you lot cant see thats hypocrisy then i am amazed.
Yes things have turned full circle regarding supporting the manager etc.
But like Tonyeh said there is a reason for that - Rafa lost his support with alot of fans over a period of time. They didnt just make a snap erratic judgement. He was given a chance but in the end in a lot of peoples opinions he wasnt upto it.
Alot disagree and thats fair enough.
But to not even give a new manager a chance when banging on about supporting makes me smile a little to say the least.

Ben your obviously right mate , and there's abit of spitting our dummies out here (me included i suppose) . Like i've said though , the manager will get my full support . It is a tad ironic though the way we are being told to support the manager though ,don't you think ? I'm just interested to see how long the new manager gets , abit of realism is needed for the coming season .

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:05 am

Fair enough Igor, you have said that but there are others that are saying that if Roy comes in then thats it.

I am not sure how much time the new man will be afforded by the fans.
What i am sure of is that Rafa had plenty of time though.

by **In and Out** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:10 am

Ben Patrick wrote:Fair enough Igor, you have said that but there are others that are saying that if Roy comes in then thats it.

I am not sure how much time the new man will be afforded by the fans.
What i am sure of is that Rafa had plenty of time though.

It appears that the fans who say they'd support Hodgson would support him and the team a lot longer than those against it. As you said some people have said 'that's it' if he joins therefore giving the man no chance or support before he is even appointed.

It would be nice however if those people saying this now actually came to their senses and supported whomever was appointed instead of hoping him to fail at the first hurdle. Because that's how a lot of it reads at the moment.

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