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by **7_Kewell** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:35 pm

Ciggy wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:I bet you any money though even if we lost Stevie Mascherano and Torres, the football on display wouldnt be as dire to watch as last seasons.

No it will be 10 times worse if Roy feckin hodgeson comes in.

nice to see you're willing to give him a chance.

And with good reason cause he's shite, his Fulham team has won 4 away games in two seasons, last season they finished 5 places further than the season before. Forget the Euro league final, Steve mac Laren got Boro there aswell should he be considered for the job

NO !!! The same with Roy Hodgeson its madness that he is even on the list.

Until the ownership changes we will be presented with mediocrity on the pitch with cr@p players and a sh!te manager.

is isn't sh!te. He's done a very good job on a limited budget at Fulham. Didn't he win manager of the year too?

He's not my first choice, but he's not bottom of my list either.

Would there be so much opposition if he was a foreign coach, i wonder?

by **parchpea** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:08 pm

Being English is clearly handicap for Hodgson by the looks. Maybe if he gets a spray tan, whacks on some shades, slicks his hair back and hires a translator he may be made more welcome at Anfield :;):

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:10 pm

Reg wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
Reg wrote:You're winding everyone up these days Kewell, why dont you back off and enjoy summer?

because i'm shocked, and saddened, that a lot of people on here supported Rafa/our players more than they support Liverpool FC. In fact, there a few here who can't wait for a possible meltdown, just so they can say "I told you so".

It's wrong Reg. Football is about supporting your club during the highs AND the lows. No manager, player, or owner is bigger than the club. If you think they are then you have no idea about our football team.

What's more, some people on here are not even prepared to give a new manager a chance.

If people don't like it, why don't they go support Inter or Chelsea? Either that, or shut up with the negative posts.

Zara, why don't you go follow Rafa to Inter, you clearly lovehim more than our football team.

great post. sums up my feelings exactly. whether or not the players are leaving we have yet to see because everything is speculation right now and no one has anything concrete because of the WC.

manager wise, well, so what if its Roy or Mark Hughes or whoever? it's the club we support. after all, the irony is that those who preach about how no one is bigger then the club are making it seem exactly the other way round.

and yes, some people should ask themselves if they support Rafa FC or Liverpool FC. they know who they are.

MAXY: its important that you take into account my response to that comment by Kewl to understand where I´m coming from. Copied below:

Kewel said "Supporting the club, and supporting the owners are two very differnt things.

supporting the club means getting rid of the owners

And supporting our new manager, whoever that may be."

I replied: "Yes but you and the owners have to accept that they have alienated a significant portion of the fanbase the way they have handled the Rafa sacking.

I am not mechanical in my undying love for anyone or anything and when someone písses me off, it shows.

Respect has to be earned and the owners do not have mine, nor the CEO nor MD. Wheeling in a new manager, the end game of a sorry sacking will not immediately earn my respect nor admiration. Of course I will give the guy a chance but he must prove his value, it doesnt come automatic.

So, píss anyone off enough in a relationship and they´ll start to question whether their partner is the right one which which the owners/ceo/md, in my case, is not the right partner."

Reg, i do understand where you're coming from but don't you feel from a football point of view, irrespective of the owners, after last season, Rafa should be sacked?

by **Penguins** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:23 pm

If Hodgson becomes our next manager I'll give him 100% support, but not with the imagination that he'll make us title challengers.

Instead I'll support him on the basis of what a tough job he has on his hands and the impossible demands both from the board and the fanbase.

Maybe he can make us play more attack friendly football but we'll still not be anywhere near the top of the table. But I'll support him even if we are 7th after half of next season cause I appreciate the hard restraints and pressure he is under.

How many will do that and not whine:

"Not good enough, we want league title"?

Another manager taking the brunt of 20 years of failure from supporters not seeing the big picture.

by **Ciggy** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:26 pm

7_Kewell wrote:Didn't he win manager of the year too?

Would there be so much opposition if he was a foreign coach, i wonder?

Whats your point? David Moyes has won it a few times aswell, you can win the manager of the year without actually winning a trophy. So give hime the liverpool job hey cause he won that

If there was a great English manager he would get my vote, but there isnt any is there? Harry's about the best of the bunch but he wont come here so that rules him out of the question.
And if English managers are so great why have the England team got an Italian in charge? Because there is no english managers good enough thats why.

And another thing arnt you slightly worried about who is doing the hiring & firing? A fella who worked at Ocean Finance that was brought in to sell the club now he is running the show with his sidekick a Chelsea fan who would love nothing better than to get a rival out the way, whos job is also to sell the club.
Then we have them pair of tw@ts who dont even know a thing about football, managers, players or fans.

Im sorry if I dont feel as optimistic about our future as you do but hiring Roy Hodgeson, selling off our best players, and not one single person at the club has come out to try and ease the fans fears not fucking one of them !!!

by **LFC2007** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:02 pm

Thing is, Ferguson and Wenger have occupied two of the top jobs in England for such a long time that the chances for homegrown managers to make their mark at the top end has been very limited; the best the likes of O'Neil and Redknapp can do is get as close as possible, and they have done just that - what more can they do? And that's unique to the Premier League. Barca, Real Madrid, Inter, AC, Juve, Bayern etc.. have all changed managers fairly frequently in recent years, giving more managers more of a chance of establishing a reputation for themselves. Guardiola and Rijkaard are good examples, so is Mancini (what could he do but his best before Inter gave him his chance?). It would be asking a hell of a lot of any manager outside the established four or five in England to win the league and make a name for themselves, which is worth bearing in mind when people criticise the lack of homegrown managers making a name for themselves at the top.

by **Emerald Red** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:19 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:I bet you any money though even if we lost Stevie Mascherano and Torres, the football on display wouldnt be as dire to watch as last seasons.

No it will be 10 times worse if Roy feckin hodgeson comes in.

That is not possible.

Last season is the worst i have seen in a long time.

I am not just talking about results.
There were away games last season where we had like 2 shots in the game and Ngog upfront on his own.

I cant see it being any worse than that with Hodgson (if he comes)

Fair enough. ok, how about this: it'll be like that consistetly with Roy here in charge, or possibly even worse. yes, it's possible Since when was Roy's brand of football better than that known of Benitez' sides when they are on song? Bollox. The man promotes the ugly side of football, and if you don't agree with that, go watch our two games against his side last season, the season of which they supposedly done brilliant. Well if that's them doing brilliant, then f*ck that. F*ck that big time. Some f*ckin spanners seem to think that because Rafa's side had a dire spell last season that that is the hight of his managerial prowess and couldn't have turned it around again with a bit of support? Wise up. I know fickle is a word that gets thrown about a lot, but f*ck me, if that notion isn't half fickle I don't know what is. More clueless than fickle, I say.

by **SeaofRed** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:25 pm

I think everyone needs to get behind the new manager when he comes in, Roy or no Roy, the manager will have a difficult task in hand and if the manager can revitalise the players and wheel and deal in the transfer market then we'll stand a good chance of having a decent season next season.

by **tubby** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:28 pm

Under Benitez we became one of the few (and possibly the only) English sides to go to the Camp Nou and win. Do you think under woy we could hope to achieve such results?

by **LFC2007** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:34 pm

bavlondon wrote:Under Benitez we became one of the few (and possibly the only) English sides to go to the Camp Nou and win. Do you think under woy we could hope to achieve such results?

Probably not (and certainly not next season as we're not even in it) but that's a bit of a red herring anyway - the priority for whoever comes in will be stability on the domestic front.

by **SeaofRed** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:41 pm

bavlondon wrote:Under Benitez we became one of the few (and possibly the only) English sides to go to the Camp Nou and win. Do you think under woy we could hope to achieve such results?

Yes I do.

Roy is not my first choice manager, not by far, but if he comes into this club I will support him. I was as sad as anyone when Rafa was sacked, but Rafa is gone now and the club needs to move on.

If Roy becomes our manager and convinces Torres and Gerrard to remain at the club and if he can bring in a few new faces and revitalise players then we'll bounce back and that goes for any manager that comes into the club.

I acknowledge that Roy has his failings, but he also has his positives. He plays attractive football, it's not as sleek and slick as Arsenal or as exciting as Manchester United, but it's better than the bland style of football that a lot of teams play in the Premiership. He has transformed players like Panstil and Zamora and players like Zoltan Gera look brilliant under his management.

His dealings in the transfer market isn't bad, if he is going to be our manager, I'll support him through thick and thin. Ideally we would go for a manager with a vastly superior record, but given the state that the club is in beggers cannot be choosers.

by **Emerald Red** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:44 pm

SeaofRed wrote:I think everyone needs to get behind the new manager when he comes in, Roy or no Roy, the manager will have a difficult task in hand and if the manager can revitalise the players and wheel and deal in the transfer market then we'll stand a good chance of having a decent season next season.

Soy, but if Roy Hodgson takes over at this club, I'm boycotting. It's hard to get behind a manager knowing he's been specifically hand picked in a scheme to completely run us into the ground by the two c*nts that own us. I'll back no "yes" man. The fact that Kenny is only going to step up to take charge if we can't land such world beaters such as Roy, and have already been knocked back by the bung taking, Sun endorsing Redknapp. It just shows the Yanks have no clue post sacking of Benitez. They have no long term strategy and as such will appoint anyone who is mad enough, or compliant enough, to take the seat. Forgive me for not doing backflips and cartwheels at that prospect. We'll do well to simply stay in the mixer next season baring any kind of small miracle.

by **7_Kewell** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:04 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
SeaofRed wrote:I think everyone needs to get behind the new manager when he comes in, Roy or no Roy, the manager will have a difficult task in hand and if the manager can revitalise the players and wheel and deal in the transfer market then we'll stand a good chance of having a decent season next season.

Soy, but if Roy Hodgson takes over at this club, I'm boycotting.

it must be great to be able to pick and choose when to support your football team.

:no

by **Reg** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:11 pm

7_Kewell wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
SeaofRed wrote:I think everyone needs to get behind the new manager when he comes in, Roy or no Roy, the manager will have a difficult task in hand and if the manager can revitalise the players and wheel and deal in the transfer market then we'll stand a good chance of having a decent season next season.

Soy, but if Roy Hodgson takes over at this club, I'm boycotting.

it must be great to be able to pick and choose when to support your football team.

It is INEVITABLE after the tumultous events of the last 2 years there'll be casualties and the owners would be wise to realise that.

After Hysel I didnt step foot in Anfield for more than 10 years I was so saddened by the tragedy.

Respect and support is not to be asssumed, it is to be earned.

by **zarababe** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:22 pm

7_Kewell wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
SeaofRed wrote:I think everyone needs to get behind the new manager when he comes in, Roy or no Roy, the manager will have a difficult task in hand and if the manager can revitalise the players and wheel and deal in the transfer market then we'll stand a good chance of having a decent season next season.

Soy, but if Roy Hodgson takes over at this club, I'm boycotting.

it must be great to be able to pick and choose when to support your football team.

.. there's nowt like you kewell dedicated and fully supportive.. you are so inspirational :buttrock

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