Fenway demands explanation from Dalglish

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Postby Reg » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:11 am

Liverpool owner Fenway Sports Group demands explanation from Kenny Dalglish

Kenny Dalglish, the Liverpool manager, will be required to provide a full written report to the club’s American owners at the end of the season to explain an unacceptable league slump.

By Chris 'the b*stard' Bascombe

03 Apr 2012

As part of a wide-ranging review into what has gone wrong during an appalling Premier League run, Dalglish, director of football Damien Comolli and assistant manager Steve Clarke will be called upon to dispatch a thorough debrief across the Atlantic. They are under no illusions that the current position is considered far below the expectations of the club’s owner, Fenway Sports Group.

Each senior figure will be required to provide their insight into why a season that began with aspirations to qualify for the Champions League has rapidly deteriorated.

Most significantly, the trio will be asked to provide details of how they intend to rectify the problems that have led to the alarming dip in form in the past few months. Their proposed solutions will be just as important.

The pressure has intensified on Dalglish in recent weeks, with the team’s results since winning the Carling Cup undermining the feelgood factor the club’s first trophy in six seasons was meant to provide.

Defeat by Newcastle on Sunday was the most recent in a series of low points in the league. Liverpool have lost six of their past seven league games, during which time they have gone from top-four contenders to falling below rivals Everton.

FSG recognises the situation needs to be addressed as a matter of urgency. There is no immediate threat to Dalglish’s position, but the imminent FA Cup semi-final with Everton, their league form and his response in the season review could decide whether the Anfield icon retains the trust of his board.

It is not the fact Liverpool have failed to qualify for the top four that is causing the greatest concern, but the perceived underperformance — particularly given the investment in the side last summer.

Privately, there is acknowledgement in Boston that aiming for the top four in Dalglish’s first season might have been too ambitious – there was a gulf between Liverpool and the Champions League clubs.

Liverpool’s home defeat by Arsenal a week after winning the Carling Cup was seen as the moment that top-four hopes vanished. But the disappointment was countered by consolation in knowing that the team was at least pushing hard to regain their top-four spot and were playing a better brand of football.

That optimism and tolerance has since evaporated owing to terrible results and erratic performances. The manner of the defeat against Newcastle, when the players appeared to give up the fight after going a goal behind, has been noted as much as the result itself.

FSG considers explanations such as bad luck and tiredness to be invalid.

Dalglish was appointed on a wave of popularity in Jan 2011. The club then said the decision to give him a three-year deal last May was a “no brainer” after he had transformed the form of the team and the mood at the training ground.

However, it was telling when the club’s principal owner, John W Henry, admitted that Dalglish was not FSG’s first choice. Combined with him having to wait for a permanent deal revealed concerns about giving him the job full time.

This season seemed to be going to plan following the Carling Cup win, even though there was ground to make up to the top four. Broadly speaking, there was satisfaction because the team had improved on last year.

Recent results and performances have dented that faith, but the damage is still considered reparable, especially with another trip to Wembley imminent.

FSG finds itself having to re-evaluate all aspects of the Merseyside branch of their operation. Comolli has spoken about putting in place foundations, creating a new scouting network and reviving the club’s academy, but such changes will take time before they yield results. Until then, there is no evidence that the acclaimed work behind the scenes is making any difference.

What can be judged is the impact of last summer’s signings and investment in the team, which has so far led to a worse league position. That is the most serious threat to Dalglish’s restoration plans.

For his part, Dalglish will want more investment in the squad to assist a fresh assault on the top four next season and is promising his signings will improve in their second year.

Unless he can reverse the terrible sequence of results, he will need to be at his most persuasive to convince the club’s owner that his confidence is not misplaced and he deserves more time.

Meanwhile, Liverpool do not intend to appeal Pepe Reina’s red card against Newcastle, which means he will miss the FA Cup semi-final with Everton.

Andy Carroll is not expected to face any internal disciplinary action for reacting angrily to his substitution against his former club.

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Postby Boxscarf » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:28 am

I don't blame FSG for this reaction, they have invested a lot of money into transfers over a 7 month period last year and they like us expected a challenge for a top four finish this season and Kenny hasn't even managed to do that. I don't think we've ever really looked like contenders for a top four place this season.  Clark, Comolli and Dalglish should be held to account for this season, whilst it is fantastic to making great sides in cup competitions, everyone at the club wanted us to improve upon last season's league finish and we aren't going to do that this season. John W Henry came out last September and stated that a top four finish was his minimum expectation, now you can say that was too ambitious etc, but I don't think he or anyone else at the club expected such a poor league campaign.

Kenny has to shoulder responsibility, because throughout this season he's done nothing but constantly alter tactics, formations and starting line ups, it's apparent to me that he just doesn't know what his best starting line up is, he doesn't know what his most effective tactics and formations are. Against Newcastle I was hoping he'd change the 4-3-3 to a 4-4-2 to go for a different approach, but he just plugged away without making a change. No wonder some supporters are questioning his tactical nous, it appeared to me on Saturday that Kenny didn't really possess any, of course that's not true, but he seems like a deer caught in the headlights.

Hopefully all three people put their heads together and really come up with a plan of action to make drastic improvements in the summer.
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Postby Reg » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:53 am

The fact of teh matter is since the day Michael Owen walked out of Anfield on 13th August 2004, 8 years ago - we've only had one recognisable striker - Sr Fernando Torres. By recognisable striker I mean of Liverpool standard. Keegan, Tosh, Rush, Dalglish, Aldo, Fowler, Owen.

The impact of Owen for example on our league place is self evident:

Year Games Goals
97-98 44 23
98-99 40 23
99-00 30 12
00-01 46 24
01-02 43 28
02-03 54 28
03-04 38 19

So yes to have a great defence however if there isn't anyone up front with a killer instinct then its academic, we won't qualify for CL. Kenny won't have to scratch his head to hard when writing his reasons for lack of success, he only has to look at the pictures on the walls.

The thing is, one striker isn't enough, we need 2 on teh field and one on the bench. Rafa created the 4-3-1-1 system not because he was a genius but because he didn't have 2 class strikers. Stevie became his virtual strike partner from midfield.

So if you want success you need class up front, and we lack in that department.
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Postby Boxscarf » Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:48 am

Yes, we do lack a quality striker, one who can slot the ball home and get us 20+ goals a season. We also lack a creative center midfield who can get forward and make things happen, we lack genuine quality on the right flank. We're still three or four quality players away from having a squad capable of challenging for a top four place in the league.
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Postby Thommo's perm » Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:53 am

No surprises here
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Postby supersub » Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:53 am

Michael owen never scored 20 league goals in a season....the stats above are misleading if referring to a league campaign

97-98   36 - 18
98-99   30 - 18
99-00   27 - 11
00-01   28 - 16
01-02   29 - 19
02-03   35 - 19
03-04   29 - 16


I do agree a 20 league goals a season forward is something we desperately need
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Postby supersub » Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:56 am

looking at Owens record it makes Kuyts 33 - 13 from midfield last season quite a good return
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Postby Johnny Boy » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:06 am

Can't say I blame them, I would want answers too.

I would also like to know why the club has spent millions yet we still lack a) a genuine right sided player b) a creative midfield player c) a 20 goal plus striker.
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Postby Boxscarf » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:16 am

supersub » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:56 am wrote:looking at Owens record it makes Kuyts 33 - 13 from midfield last season quite a good return


Kuyt had a very good goalscoring record for Feyenoord before coming to us, I dare say he could have been a twenty goals striker for us had he not been used as a make-shift right winger for much of his Liverpool career. He's certainly one of the few players in our squad that looks capable of sticking the ball into the back of the net.
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Postby metalhead » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:23 am

They are looking after their interest and the club, so not really surprised.

Let's see what happens in the summer, if Kenny doesn't win the FA cup and we still lose a couple of games until the end of the season I think FSG will replace him
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Postby Kenny Kan » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:27 am

In his report to FSG, he'll (should IMO) need to explain that all the 'Moneybollocks' stuff they're into is 'no good', bring back manager's intuition and feck off the stats.
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Postby metalhead » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:29 am

Kenny Kan » Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:27 am wrote:In his report to FSG, he'll (should IMO) need to explain that all the 'Moneybollocks' stuff they're into is 'no good', bring back manager's intuition and feck off the stats.


Feck off Comolli let the manager work, I can't see any sense having a DOF
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Postby Roger Red Hat » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:32 am

when Kenny or whoever signed Carroll they were signing a striker who could bang 20+ goals a season in. however, Carroll hasn't fulfilled this and that is NOT Kenny's fault. He did all he could by signing him. So no, the fault isn't with Kenny, it's with Carroll.
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:34 am

supersub » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:53 am wrote:Michael owen never scored 20 league goals in a season....the stats above are misleading if referring to a league campaign

97-98   36 - 18
98-99   30 - 18
99-00   27 - 11
00-01   28 - 16
01-02   29 - 19
02-03   35 - 19
03-04   29 - 16


I do agree a 20 league goals a season forward is something we desperately need


to be fair to owen apart from 99-00 his strike rate was around (or better than) 1 goal every 2 games which is a very good strike rate for a forward.
it`s not as if he played in the most creative of sides either.
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Postby Boxscarf » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:41 am

Roger Red Hat » Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:32 am wrote:when Kenny or whoever signed Carroll they were signing a striker who could bang 20+ goals a season in. however, Carroll hasn't fulfilled this and that is NOT Kenny's fault. He did all he could by signing him. So no, the fault isn't with Kenny, it's with Carroll.


Ultimately the blame rests on the managers shoulders. Managerial careers are often made or broken by the signings they make. This was the case with Houllier in 2002 when he signed Diouf, Diao and Cheyrou, he put his faith in three talents from France who were performing consistently well for their clubs at the time and I remember Diouf having a fantastic World Cup for Senegal. The same with Benitez, he brought in Johnson, Aquilani and Soto in his last season as manager and none of those players stepped into the shoes of their predecessors, we ultimately finished 7th and Rafa left by 'mutual consent'.

I don't for a second believe Kenny had anything to do with the Carroll and Suarez signings, how could he? What Owner is going to allow a care-taker manager the right to spend £55m or whatever it was on players? Carroll to me was a panic buy from the Owners/Comolli to the loss of Fernando Torres to Chelsea. They simply went "who is young, has potential for the future and is doing well for his club at the moment?", "Andy Carroll!!!", let's sign him. Unfortunately thus far the signing hasn't worked and I think it's in part to the stupid fee paid for him. You don't pay £35m for future potential, you pay that sort of money for 'proven quality'. It's not acceptable to then come out and say "well Chelsea paid £50m for Torres. Chelsea paid £50m for a proven striker in England and Spain and a striker with a European Championship and World Cup medal to his name. That's what Chelsea paid for, ok it hasn't been a good transfer, but every signing is a gamble. The fee paid for Carroll is indefensible, there is no excuse for such incompetence with money. I'm not surprised he's struggled with form because I'd hate to have such a transfer fee hanging over my head, especially when I had done sweet FA to warrant such a crazy price tag.
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