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Postby stmichael » Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:26 pm

I heard Steve McMahon was having a bit of a go on Sky last night, saying Benitez has just replaced French players with Spanish players and the style of play was no different. First of all, what French players?

Vignal never played.
Cheyrou was in and out.
Traore's still here.
Pongolle's still here.
La Tallec's coming back at the end of the season.

And we've now signed Cisse.

So actually, Steve - if you're reading - we now have one French regular in the team where last season we had none.

As for the Spaniards, Josemi, Xabi Alonso and Garcia have all fitted in nicely so why he felt it it right to criticse them I don't know.

He seemed to think playing one up front at home was negative. This after we'd beaten WBA 3-0, which kind of defeated his argument. He'd also been under the misguided impression that Benitez was an attacking coach but if you saw Valencia in 2001-02, you'd know that he likes to build from the back. His 2003-04 side was far more dynamic and scored more goals than Real Madrid but you don't just start playing like a side managed by Kevin Keegan because you've got a history of success. Even Wenger's initial triumphs were built on the famous back five he inherited and not the eye-catching football we've seen in the last couple of years. However, Benitez isn't Wenger, he's more like Mourinho. He's more tactical and personally, I think we'll go further in the CL than Arsenal will although they'll probaly romp away with the league.

But back to McMahon, what does he want us to do? Presumably to play 4-4-2 with old-style wingers and play like an old-fashioned English side? Nobody plays like that at the top level anymore; we'd get dominated in the centre of midfield and actually I wish he could have a trial run as Liverpool manager - he'd be out of his depth. And as a former Liverpool player, I think it's sad he's felt the need to pass negative judgements so early. If Benitez was Kenny Dalglish, he would have kept his mouth shut because the only managers who seem to receive criticism from ex-pros in the media are Eriksson, Benitez and to an extent, Mourinho although some actually like him and so they should.

Gordon McQueen's reaction yesterday to Mark Hughes being appointed Blackburn manager: "you know what I'm really delighted about? That they haven't gone for another foreigner."

Since when do sides like Blackburn appointe foreign managers and why would they. Mr McQueen seems to be under the impression that foreign managers are taking over when there's actually only four and they're all at big clubs (Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal). Not friggin' Blackburn.

Anyway, rant over, the media [censored] me off but it'll make it all the sweeter when we do succeed although I get the feeling only the league title will shut them up and we're a long way off that to be fair. A draw at Old Trafford will see us ten points off the pace (with a game in hand admittedly) but the team won't start playing as a TEAM until after Christmas in my opinion.

Ex liverpool players should just keep their mouths shut, unless they've got anthing positive to say. :angry:
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Postby A.B. » Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:29 pm

Ignore this post bitch :angry:
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Postby madred » Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:34 pm

Not McManaman A.B :D
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Postby A.B. » Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:36 pm

argh!!! Too damn early in the morning
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Postby maximus » Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:37 pm

A.B. wrote:Why do you care what Macca said? He's the same one who walked out on us, I could care less what he says. How about I talk about his dream club "Real Madrid" after their terrible performance.

Classic Gaff A.B., ****** Classic. Was you born when Steve Mcmahon played for us???
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Postby bigmick » Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:38 pm

No its the other fella, baldy tough tackling midfielder. Good player as it goes. Wouldn't get in the LFC all-time eleven but a solid player all the same. Never thought he was the same after Vinnie Jones assaulted him in the cup final. Mind you, he finished a couple of careers that one.
Anyhow, he's entitled to his opinion more than most, even if it is abject sh**.
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Postby A.B. » Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:43 pm

maximus wrote:
A.B. wrote:Why do you care what Macca said? He's the same one who walked out on us, I could care less what he says. How about I talk about his dream club "Real Madrid" after their terrible performance.

Classic Gaff A.B., ****** Classic. Was you born when Steve Mcmahon played for us???

Easy there mate, its 8 in the morning here.
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Postby madred » Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:43 pm

You really would think that the ex Liverpool players would behind Benitez before a ball was even kicked last night! After witnessing that performance i dont want to get carried away but to i think he is way ahead of schedule and its pleasing to see Liverpool playing like Liverpool once again. No one can dispute the quality of three of his signings and there's me thinking they will need loads of time to bed in. How we needed class to come in a do a job so quickly and those three have amazed me to say the least.
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Postby madred » Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:46 pm

I'll let McMahon off the hook as he was part of the greatest Liverpool side i ever witnessed. :D
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Postby A.B. » Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:52 pm

All joking aside for once.

McMahon was a good player back in the day he brought the goods for us. However he has the right to say what he wants, whether its a bunch of ****** or the truth. I could care less what he thinks, he is no longer here.

Actually I would prefer for him to continue to critisize us because at the end of the season he will eat his own words.
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Postby dawson99 » Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:55 pm

mcmahan was alittle out of order, but still better than andy the hunt (replace the h guys) gray
i hate that dude!
a lot of epople say that nothing has changed, but are these people even watching the games? we are attacking, and we should have won by 4 or 5 last night, how can we complain about that?
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Postby madred » Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:58 pm

Im still waiting for Ian St John to come back with his slagging off once they have a bad game. Cant wait for him referring to Rafa as the 'spaniard'! :D
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Postby maximus » Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:59 pm

bigmick wrote:No its the other fella, baldy tough tackling midfielder. Good player as it goes. Wouldn't get in the LFC all-time eleven but a solid player all the same. Never thought he was the same after Vinnie Jones assaulted him in the cup final. Mind you, he finished a couple of careers that one.
Anyhow, he's entitled to his opinion more than most, even if it is abject sh**.

I thought Mcmhaon was a great player for us, his drive and commitment were absolutely superb. One incident that sticks in my mind think it was in a match we played Newcastle away, Stevie Nicol scored a hatrick!!! (correct me if I am wrong) he chased a ball towards the touchline, didnt think he would make it, but carried on chasing it anyway, remarkably just managed to stop the ball on the line, just in play, his momentum took him into the crowd, he stopped, looked back, run back towards the ball, got it before the player who was behind him got it, ran towards the touchline with it, crossed and we scored, absolute quality :D

(By the way - I did not go out much back then!!)
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Postby bigmick » Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:59 pm

Unfortunately though AB, the nature of the beast dictates thet having been paid by Sky to comment, controversy has to be his watchword. Blokes like Rodney Marsh make more than all of us put together by talking tosh for a living and Macca (the original version) probably sees his name up in lights now his fledgeling manegerial career has hit the rocks at Blackpool. FWIW, I'm certain that if he had to eat his words, he would be loving it. The scousers on the forum would know better than me whether he turned up at school in a blue top or red, and I know he played for Everton first, but he brought a rare passion to the red shirt which wouldn't go missing in any era.
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Postby madred » Thu Sep 16, 2004 3:01 pm

That was a 2-0 win against Arsenal Maximus! Aldo scored the goal in question.
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