next up is Arsenal at Anfield... absolutely crucial... if we beat Arsenal, I would say IMO our chances of finishing 4th will have jumped from 25% to 50%...
no more draws please...
4th... is it still achieveable?
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by redtrader74 » Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:55 am
We need to grasp the massive opportunity in front of us. Arsenal and Chelsea, through media pressure mainly, are in disarray, both the managers are under immense pressure and fck ups are on the cards. We on the other hand are yesterday's (bad) news and a win tomorrow should provide the momentum and confidence to go on a good run. If we do win the next three league games it will apply additional pressure on Chelsea and Arsenal and the situation will move to being more in our favour.
Of the three Clubs we are in the most stable position and finally out of a negative media spotlight, Infact it would be a huge failure on our part to fail in taking fourth, given our investment and the weaknesses of our direct rivals.
Of the three Clubs we are in the most stable position and finally out of a negative media spotlight, Infact it would be a huge failure on our part to fail in taking fourth, given our investment and the weaknesses of our direct rivals.
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by parchpea » Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:52 am
Hand on heart I dont think we are any great shakes this year but the league as a whole is not especially strong so the 4th position is still up for grabs.
Arsenal and Chelsea have their problems and so there should be no reason why we shouldnt push for 4th along with Newcastle who have to be respected.
If we can manage to open up a bit and really go for wins then a few victories back to back will surely put us in a strong position against stuttering competition.
Arsenal and Chelsea have their problems and so there should be no reason why we shouldnt push for 4th along with Newcastle who have to be respected.
If we can manage to open up a bit and really go for wins then a few victories back to back will surely put us in a strong position against stuttering competition.
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by Kenny Kan » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:40 am
stmichael wrote:how are arsenal 4th, honestly?
take RVP out and they'd be a bottom half of the table side.
Well, the funny thing is, they were down the bottom half of the table earlier on in the season, and for a fair amount of time. It doesn't say much about the rest of the challengers, including us. So we should refrain from being critical about l'a.rse, seeing where they have come from at the beginning of this season.
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by kazza » Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:06 pm
Too many draws! I'd rather risk a loss and go for it more, with a bit of luck (less missed penalties and less hitting the woodwork) and we could be right there.I think it is there for us to take.
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by Thommo's perm » Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:14 pm
RedSi35 wrote:4th? pfffft we can still win it
Thats the spirit
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by ethanr » Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:45 am
A lot of people have said the league is a lot weaker this year, and that may be the case, but I also think the league is a lot stronger at the same time. I know it makes no sense, but so many of the smaller teams have made really good investments. Newcastle for one has done really well in the market, and have got a good team together. Spurs have played much better this year obviously. Sunderland started poorly but with, in my opinion, one of the best managers in the world they have made a huge comeback and are playing great. Even West Brom is playing well right now. Norwich and Swansea have been big surprises as well, especially Swansea with the ability to really out posses premier league opponents. Stoke have had a decent season as well, and Fulham have even been a bit stronger.
Some of the smaller clubs are really stepping up. I think that's why Bolton has struggled so badly, and why some of the bigger clubs have struggled, as clubs figure out how to play against them.
Some of the smaller clubs are really stepping up. I think that's why Bolton has struggled so badly, and why some of the bigger clubs have struggled, as clubs figure out how to play against them.
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by kazza » Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:46 am
The weaker teams have improved but there has been a shift in power. Man City look good and could be around as a power, they have big, strong, skillfull and fast players. Utd have never looked so poor in a while and I cannot believe they are keeping up with City. Spurs are better than they have ever been but my feeling is that will only last a season or so. Chelsea are an aging side that need to replace a lot of players, besides their owner will see to their demise. Arsenal are a young side but they are losing their best players faster than the young players can replace them. I think we will still be a top side as we have young players that will improve, I think our future is bright.
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by kazza » Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:15 am
Mark Lawrenson was talking to BBC Sport's Chris Bevan
For Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish, beating Cardiff City in Sunday's Carling Cup final would be absolutely massive.
People might say it is only the Carling Cup, but it is still a trophy. It would be the Reds' first for six years, and Dalglish's first since he returned as manager at the start of 2011.
Dalglish knows it would act as a launchpad.
It worked for Manchester United at the start of the 1990s when they won the FA Cup and League Cup within a couple of years. And it worked for Liverpool in 2001 too.
They had to scrap to beat Birmingham City on penalties in the League Cup final that year in a game they could easily have lost, and they ended up winning two more trophies that season - the FA Cup and Uefa Cup - and qualifying for the Champions League for the first time.
As players, you have a little taste of success and you think "whoa, how good is this?!"
Liverpool are also in the quarter-finals of the FA Cup, where they have a home tie against Stoke City. If they beat Cardiff at the weekend, they will be thinking "right, come on - we can go again".
The other leg of the "treble" for Liverpool this season would be finishing fourth in the Premier League to qualify for the Champions League, but I don't see that happening.
They are just a bit short of that right now, mainly because of their home form, particularly against teams below them in the table. They may be unbeaten but they have drawn eight league games at Anfield.
I have seen quite a few of their home fixtures and ostensibly they are a counter-attacking team and, at Anfield, sides have worked that out.
To be more complete, they need to get more men forward at key times. Craig Bellamy will do that when he is in the team, even from wide areas.
That's one of the reasons I would play Bellamy against Cardiff. Not only does he know them well because he played for them last season, but he also gives you blistering pace that will hurt the Welsh side, even if they try to pack the midfield and defend deep.
But Bellamy is not certain to start and, in fact, one of the big positives for Dalglish is that, since the summer, there has been real competition for places in his side.
I would say that, on Sunday, there will probably be four or five positions up for grabs.
I think the goalkeeper and the back four pick themselves, as does Steven Gerrard, and I would argue that you have to play Luis Suarez because he is such a good player. Then you discuss the rest.
Like I say, for me, Bellamy has to play, but Dalglish has to decide where to utilise him - maybe on the left, but that is where Stewart Downing had one of his better games of the season last week against Brighton.
Downing is among a group of players, including Jordan Henderson, Charlie Adam, Andy Carroll, Dirk Kuyt and Maxi Rodriguez, who are not sure whether they will feature.
But, whoever Dalglish does pick, they have to get into the Cardiff penalty area. Liverpool cannot afford to take their Anfield problems with them to Wembley.
For Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish, beating Cardiff City in Sunday's Carling Cup final would be absolutely massive.
People might say it is only the Carling Cup, but it is still a trophy. It would be the Reds' first for six years, and Dalglish's first since he returned as manager at the start of 2011.
Dalglish knows it would act as a launchpad.
It worked for Manchester United at the start of the 1990s when they won the FA Cup and League Cup within a couple of years. And it worked for Liverpool in 2001 too.
They had to scrap to beat Birmingham City on penalties in the League Cup final that year in a game they could easily have lost, and they ended up winning two more trophies that season - the FA Cup and Uefa Cup - and qualifying for the Champions League for the first time.
As players, you have a little taste of success and you think "whoa, how good is this?!"
Liverpool are also in the quarter-finals of the FA Cup, where they have a home tie against Stoke City. If they beat Cardiff at the weekend, they will be thinking "right, come on - we can go again".
The other leg of the "treble" for Liverpool this season would be finishing fourth in the Premier League to qualify for the Champions League, but I don't see that happening.
They are just a bit short of that right now, mainly because of their home form, particularly against teams below them in the table. They may be unbeaten but they have drawn eight league games at Anfield.
I have seen quite a few of their home fixtures and ostensibly they are a counter-attacking team and, at Anfield, sides have worked that out.
To be more complete, they need to get more men forward at key times. Craig Bellamy will do that when he is in the team, even from wide areas.
That's one of the reasons I would play Bellamy against Cardiff. Not only does he know them well because he played for them last season, but he also gives you blistering pace that will hurt the Welsh side, even if they try to pack the midfield and defend deep.
But Bellamy is not certain to start and, in fact, one of the big positives for Dalglish is that, since the summer, there has been real competition for places in his side.
I would say that, on Sunday, there will probably be four or five positions up for grabs.
I think the goalkeeper and the back four pick themselves, as does Steven Gerrard, and I would argue that you have to play Luis Suarez because he is such a good player. Then you discuss the rest.
Like I say, for me, Bellamy has to play, but Dalglish has to decide where to utilise him - maybe on the left, but that is where Stewart Downing had one of his better games of the season last week against Brighton.
Downing is among a group of players, including Jordan Henderson, Charlie Adam, Andy Carroll, Dirk Kuyt and Maxi Rodriguez, who are not sure whether they will feature.
But, whoever Dalglish does pick, they have to get into the Cardiff penalty area. Liverpool cannot afford to take their Anfield problems with them to Wembley.
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