Liverpool FC Forum

[Igor Zidane]

Friggin students do my head in , they are the bain of my life . However i'm proud as punch that they are showing the apperthetic masses in this country that they do have a voice and that they do have power . Protesting (peaceful or not )  is good because it keeps the ruling classes on there toes . Hopefully the rest of the uk will take a leaf out of our younger generations books and start to voice there anger at what is a systematic attempt at de-educating the working class. Keep us in our place and all that, because an educated pleb is a dangerous pleb . VIVA LA REVOLUTION .

Revolution

[Benny The Noon]

I hope they find everyone of those feckers who desecrated war memorials and thrown them out of uni and into jail - disgraceful - urinating on the statue of churchill and graffiti over it - swinging from the cenotaph - burning the tree we get from Norway each year - there is no excuse for it .

[LFC2007]

i feel your pain. im doing the University of London as an external student here in Singapore and fees have been raised too. previously, we would pay around $30,000 for 3 years, which includes books and exam fees. now, since the hike, we pay $42,000 and it does NOT include exam fees and books which we have to male separate payments. 100% garbage!

[Emerald Red]

I see the students attacked oul Charlie's wagon earlier.

[SouthCoastShankly]

My question is if society as a whole must make sacrifices to remedy the recession, why should students be exempt?

[Benny The Noon]

My question is if society as a whole must make sacrifices to remedy the recession, why should students be exempt?

Because they want everything for free and handed to them on a plate .

[andy_g]

and because society as a whole wasn't responsible for the recession. therefore its virtually fúcking criminal that society as a whole should be constantly penalised to pay for it.

[Benny The Noon]

Unfortunatly society has to pay for it - all because of greedy bankers . There is lots of people out of work because of the financial problem banks are in but you don't see them trashing the country . They should of got the water cannons out on the Fu.ckers - got rid of them and given them a wash all in one go .

[Emerald Red]

and because society as a whole wasn't responsible for the recession. therefore its virtually fúcking criminal that society as a whole should be constantly penalised to pay for it.

Is correct.

[SouthCoastShankly]

and because society as a whole wasn't responsible for the recession. therefore its virtually fúcking criminal that society as a whole should be constantly penalised to pay for it.

Andy your footballing posts are sound but that post was bollox.

Firstly. The global recession was not solely our banker fault, in fact the vast majority of the recession was caused by the collapse of the US mortgage system. Our (and most other) were affected by investment into these markets.

Society SHOULD pay when times are bad because no one refuses the financial benefits when times are good. You can't have it both ways.

Whilst students are at university they make bugger all for the economy but as soon as they are earning they generate wealth if they are in employment. They also pay taxes to make contributions to run a society. This is how a western society works.

Don't like it, lump it. Or move.

[Emerald Red]

and because society as a whole wasn't responsible for the recession. therefore its virtually fúcking criminal that society as a whole should be constantly penalised to pay for it.

Andy your footballing posts are sound but that post was bollox.

Firstly. The global recession was not solely our banker fault, in fact the vast majority of the recession was caused by the collapse of the US mortgage system. Our (and most other) were affected by investment into these markets.

Society SHOULD pay when times are bad because no one refuses the financial benefits when times are good. You can't have it both ways.

Whilst students are at university they make bugger all for the economy but as soon as they are earning they generate wealth if they are in employment. They also pay taxes to make contributions to run a society. This is how a western society works.

Don't like it, lump it. Or move.

So basically what you are still saying is that the people who had no part whatsoever in lending to the downfall of the economy still have to shell out of their own pockets to help correct the mistakes of those that did? It's the people who don't have it that are paying for it. I think that is more or less the crux of the problem and the reason for the protests. If the students can't get a job to start with, then how can they afford to pay for the hike in their education?

[andy_g]

so do YOU think that the recession was the fault of the people that are paying for it? the students... the working class... the self employed... etc etc...?

the recession was caused not by the bankers exclusively - not that i have mentioned them before - but by the people that manage the global economy. the people that speculate with currencies and with markets. the people that speculate with our investments and our pension plans. the very people that would benefit enormously if their gambling pays off but sit back and watch the society at large pay for it when it doesn't. it seems that these people indeed can have it both ways.

the issue with the students is so much deeper than just having to pay back a little bit more. its about undermining a basic principle of a civilised and fair society - that education should be free (or at least affordable) and available to all.

[Benny The Noon]

Education is free to all - further education has to be paid for in some way - if the students don't pay for their fees who does in the end ?

[Red-er-Dare]

Education is free to all - further education has to be paid for in some way - if the students don't pay for their fees who does in the end ?

Correct, further education should be paid for, but made available to everyone.

[Benny The Noon]

It is made available to everyone - its more available now than ever with the different amount of degrees you can do and you don't have to get fantastic results - going to uni used to be for the very exclusive or rich or extremely clever - if you didn't get A's or B's in your A Levels you didn't get to go to uni and you went and worked . Now everyone pretty much has the chance but you have to pay for it .