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[115-1073096938]

I stopped smoking 9 days ago and I can see both sides of the arguement.

I accept Stu's point that people should be treated like adults and free to make their own decisions. Stu has a point when he says that if non smokers don't like smoky pubs, they shouldn't go, as pubs have always been about drinking alcohol, smoking tobacco and generally letting your hair down.

However, an extension of Stu's point would be that, fair enough, if you want to smoke, you can smoke, you're an adult and you can make your own decisions about how you live your life. However, if you do, and become sick, and need hospital treatment, you should pay 100% of the medical expenses, as your decision to smoke was the reason behind you getting sick.

If I got lung cancer from smoking I have only myself to blame and I don't think society should have to (ahem) cough up for my medical expenses if I need hospital treatment.

Health systems all over the world are clogged up with so many self imposed injuries and illnesses from human weaknesses and indulgences like smoking and liver disease from alcoholism. Why should people who basically ruined their own bodies through self indulgence clog up a system where people who suffer from genetic diseases or are involved in accidents are struggling to get treatment?

JBG, the thing is mate, i've never really smoked. I've only ever bought two packs of cigarettes, that was through a pot smoking stage at 19 which lasted about a month. Apart from that i've only ever had the odd one or two and the last one was about two or three years ago.

I don't like people standing there blowing it in my face as much as the next person, i hate it at the match, at a restraunt aswell it can put people off food, however if you're in a pub my attitude's simple. Its tuff . Its like like getting married to someone on the condition they'll change completely to suit you. Its bollox. You either accept things as they are, or don't get married... the same with pubs, accept it, or fuck off.

The PC attitude of certain people in the country pisses me off. You can't even call a PAKIstani person a "Paki" without being called racist, yet if someone calls a BRITish person a "Brit" they're just refering to us as normal...

The countries a joke, hence the reason i'm not proud of being "English" and class myself as a scouser rather than an englishman.

[Woollyback]

I stopped smoking 9 days ago and I can see both sides of the arguement.

I accept Stu's point that people should be treated like adults and free to make their own decisions. Stu has a point when he says that if non smokers don't like smoky pubs, they shouldn't go, as pubs have always been about drinking alcohol, smoking tobacco and generally letting your hair down.

However, an extension of Stu's point would be that, fair enough, if you want to smoke, you can smoke, you're an adult and you can make your own decisions about how you live your life. However, if you do, and become sick, and need hospital treatment, you should pay 100% of the medical expenses, as your decision to smoke was the reason behind you getting sick.

If I got lung cancer from smoking I have only myself to blame and I don't think society should have to (ahem) cough up for my medical expenses if I need hospital treatment.

Health systems all over the world are clogged up with so many self imposed injuries and illnesses from human weaknesses and indulgences like smoking and liver disease from alcoholism. Why should people who basically ruined their own bodies through self indulgence clog up a system where people who suffer from genetic diseases or are involved in accidents are struggling to get treatment?

JBG, the thing is mate, i've never really smoked. I've only ever bought two packs of cigarettes, that was through a pot smoking stage at 19 which lasted about a month. Apart from that i've only ever had the odd one or two and the last one was about two or three years ago.

I don't like people standing there blowing it in my face as much as the next person, i hate it at the match, at a restraunt aswell it can put people off food, however if you're in a pub my attitude's simple. Its tuff . Its like like getting married to someone on the condition they'll change completely to suit you. Its bollox. You either accept things as they are, or don't get married... the same with pubs, accept it, or fuck off.

The PC attitude of certain people in the country pisses me off. You can't even call a PAKIstani person a "Paki" without being called racist, yet if someone calls a BRITish person a "Brit" they're just refering to us as normal...

The countries a joke, hence the reason i'm not proud of being "English" and class myself as a scouser rather than an englishman.

can open, worms everywhere

[115-1073096938]

I stopped smoking 9 days ago and I can see both sides of the arguement.

I accept Stu's point that people should be treated like adults and free to make their own decisions. Stu has a point when he says that if non smokers don't like smoky pubs, they shouldn't go, as pubs have always been about drinking alcohol, smoking tobacco and generally letting your hair down.

However, an extension of Stu's point would be that, fair enough, if you want to smoke, you can smoke, you're an adult and you can make your own decisions about how you live your life. However, if you do, and become sick, and need hospital treatment, you should pay 100% of the medical expenses, as your decision to smoke was the reason behind you getting sick.

If I got lung cancer from smoking I have only myself to blame and I don't think society should have to (ahem) cough up for my medical expenses if I need hospital treatment.

Health systems all over the world are clogged up with so many self imposed injuries and illnesses from human weaknesses and indulgences like smoking and liver disease from alcoholism. Why should people who basically ruined their own bodies through self indulgence clog up a system where people who suffer from genetic diseases or are involved in accidents are struggling to get treatment?

JBG, the thing is mate, i've never really smoked. I've only ever bought two packs of cigarettes, that was through a pot smoking stage at 19 which lasted about a month. Apart from that i've only ever had the odd one or two and the last one was about two or three years ago.

I don't like people standing there blowing it in my face as much as the next person, i hate it at the match, at a restraunt aswell it can put people off food, however if you're in a pub my attitude's simple. Its tuff . Its like like getting married to someone on the condition they'll change completely to suit you. Its bollox. You either accept things as they are, or don't get married... the same with pubs, accept it, or fuck off.

The PC attitude of certain people in the country pisses me off. You can't even call a PAKIstani person a "Paki" without being called racist, yet if someone calls a BRITish person a "Brit" they're just refering to us as normal...

The countries a joke, hence the reason i'm not proud of being "English" and class myself as a scouser rather than an englishman.

can open, worms everywhere

Sorry, but you can see what i'm getting at.

Everyone's to stuck up these days.

[SouthCoastShankly]

the pub is sacred, let's at least keep smoking areas in the boozer. they're MEANT to stink of smoke ffs it's part of their irresistible charm     oh and all barmaids have to have nice boobies & short skirts as well, all ugly ones should be banned

if the political correctness bandwagon carries on like it is, everyone will have to move to greece where i do believe it is COMPULSORY to smoke at all times

I agree that england has a special place for pubs and the culture that goes along with them. But I don't think smoking ban is political correctness, its just society evolving into a modern healthier one. I mean it doesn't take a genius to see the damage that smoking creates. And surely you can think of better things to spend you money on?? I'd actually be gutted if I spent that amount of money on a habit.

Fuckin bollox that mate.

We've all got to die someday.

Its all about political correctness. Don't give pathetic excuses about it being for health reasons. Professional footy players smoke and they're healthy, you probably eat fatty foods, you probably get at weekends and i don't believe for one second that you stop look listen and think every time you're going to cross a road. No-one is that bloody self concious about the way they live unless they're seriously up in the head.

Its an absoloute disgrace and the countries attitude should be simple towards these people, if you don't like it FUCK OFF and live somewhere else.

FFS Dry your eyes, anyone got any tissues.

If you read the comments I can deal with a smokey pub but regardles of your nonsense arguement about life risks , etc, etc. Smoking is in its own category, it affects lives. You may not have an appreciation for life but most people do. Live life on the edge thats your choice but it ain't the choice of the majority. Most people want a smoking ban and thats the way its going to pan out.

Learn to live with peoples differences in opinion and you probably won't have to get tearful in every debate 

[115-1073096938]

the pub is sacred, let's at least keep smoking areas in the boozer. they're MEANT to stink of smoke ffs it's part of their irresistible charm     oh and all barmaids have to have nice boobies & short skirts as well, all ugly ones should be banned

if the political correctness bandwagon carries on like it is, everyone will have to move to greece where i do believe it is COMPULSORY to smoke at all times

I agree that england has a special place for pubs and the culture that goes along with them. But I don't think smoking ban is political correctness, its just society evolving into a modern healthier one. I mean it doesn't take a genius to see the damage that smoking creates. And surely you can think of better things to spend you money on?? I'd actually be gutted if I spent that amount of money on a habit.

Fuckin bollox that mate.

We've all got to die someday.

Its all about political correctness. Don't give pathetic excuses about it being for health reasons. Professional footy players smoke and they're healthy, you probably eat fatty foods, you probably get at weekends and i don't believe for one second that you stop look listen and think every time you're going to cross a road. No-one is that bloody self concious about the way they live unless they're seriously up in the head.

Its an absoloute disgrace and the countries attitude should be simple towards these people, if you don't like it FUCK OFF and live somewhere else.

FFS Dry your eyes, anyone got any tissues.

If you read the comments I can deal with a smokey pub but regardles of your nonsense arguement about life risks , etc, etc. Smoking is in its own category, it affects lives. You may not have an appreciation for life but most people do. Live life on the edge thats your choice but it ain't the choice of the majority. Most people want a smoking ban and thats the way its going to pan out.

Learn to live with peoples differences in opinion and you probably won't have to get tearful in every debate 

It does affect lives, as does drinking, crossing roads, driving.

Most people want a smoking ban? Theres 50 odd million people in this country, prove it.

What about Boxing? Should that be banned also? Fireworks? Would you ban them?

You're talking out of your lad. One rule for one, one for another.

Think about, one simple rule for all, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Thats should be the end of it.

[neil]

I used to think that people should be allowed to smoke in the boozer but I've gone over 2 months without a ciggie now so smokers should naff off outside.

[JBG]

I used to think that people should be allowed to smoke in the boozer but I've gone over 2 months without a ciggie now so smokers should naff off outside.

Nothing as bad as a reformed smoker! 

[SouthCoastShankly]

Most people do want a ban, here a small snapshot of proof for you:

BBC News Poll (Today 11:27)

Poll on smoking ban
3913 Votes cast (this morning)

Total Ban - 80.04%
Partial Ban - 10.53%
No Change - 9.43%

"Majority want smoking ban"

Daily Mail

TimesOnline


Need I go on

[115-1073096938]

Most people do want a ban, here a small snapshot of proof for you:

BBC News Poll (Today 11:27)

Poll on smoking ban
3913 Votes cast (this morning)

Total Ban - 80.04%
Partial Ban - 10.53%
No Change - 9.43%

"Majority want smoking ban"

Daily Mail

TimesOnline


Need I go on

As I've said and am perfectly right in doing so, there are 50 odd million people in this country.

They asked not even 4000 people.

You made a statement, "most people want a smoking ban", what you've just shown does NOT go anyway to backing that up.

Basically in these survey's that left at least 50 odd million people's opinions in the dark.

thats not even 0.000001 percent of the population.

[dawson99]

smoking is gonna become cool again tho when its banned everywhere. nothing is more fun than something thats wrong... not for me but the new starters.

smoke and let smoke i say, nothing better than a summer night rolling a fat one and chillin

[SouthCoastShankly]

Thats the way surveys work, its a way of measuring public opinion without carrying out a full census. Society works in a way where peoples opinions are grouped, therefore you don't get 50million different opinions. The data from a few individuals (usually 100 or more) is used to accurately estimate the data for the entire population.

[Mikz]

As "Romeo the red"  says -if you cant stand the heat -get outa the kitchen. You need to go somewhere where there is electric cars . If youre so worried about it -put a wee michael jackson surgical mask on.




ps..have you got a light on ya?

[SouthCoastShankly]

I do carry a lighter on me actually, just for the ladies mind. I found myself constantly losing out on conversations with fit women because I didn't have a light when they asked.

[Mikz]

classic.  Youre so against smoking but you light the fags for fit birds -bit like the ira quartermaster saying guns should be banned lol

I suppose one would never forgive themselves if the big girl got away, as women do ask for a light sometimes as a means of breaking the ice, its enlightening and it could ignite a relationship, something could spark

[115-1073096938]

Thats the way surveys work, its a way of measuring public opinion without carrying out a full census. Society works in a way where peoples opinions are grouped, therefore you don't get 50million different opinions. The data from a few individuals (usually 100 or more) is used to accurately estimate the data for the entire population.

And how accurately do think it is? Where did they ask these people?

Come upto my local and ask everyone if smoking should be banned. Ask landlords do they want to ban smoking in pubs, ask the people who actually go into pubs regularly if they mind if smokers go in there and smoke.

Alot of people they're asking don't go to pubs often. I drink in about 7 or eight pubs in the area, you always see the same people, not everyone who's asked these questions go to pubs.

Why should the people who don't go to pubs be asked there opinions? Its bollox.