Liverpool FC Forum

[Big Niall]

Anyone see the programme where a black guy from britain was saying that Britain owes slave descendents 7.5 trillion pounds. FFS!

It was 200 years ago. He also wants a public apology - they made one for the Irish famine but so what, makes no difference, nobody still around from those days.

How about we all sue the Vikings, or the Romans. Can you imagine going up to a poor white guy and saying "sorry dude, I know you have F all but your kind used to own slaves so we are taking £10,000 from you to give the black guy across the road"

He cited the yanks for precedent, nuff said.

[Reinas No.1 Fan]

I agree, I think we owe nothing. I'll be interested to see how the government handle this but they will probably give in like they always do over race issues.

Public apology. Pah Im not apologiseing for what my ansestor may or may not have done.

[woof woof !]

I'll apologise after the Caribs of Guadeloupe apologise for eating one of my ancestors in 1503 .   

[A.B.]

1503

I thought that was the year you were born! 

[Big Niall]

Liverpool was the city singled out for benefitting the most via shipping etc.

I would have thought GH spending £14m for the two boys from Senegal was enough to wipe out any debt.

[Woollyback]

Liverpool was the city singled out for benefitting the most via shipping etc.

I would have thought GH spending £14m for the two boys from Senegal was enough to wipe out any debt.

   in fact they probably owe US if you look at it that way

[Judge]

1503

I thought that was the year you were born! 

1502 was the actual date, but close 

[woof woof !]

If it wasn't for us white devils they'd be living in mud huts ,no written language or running water, suffering from disease and starving most of the time .

Oops , whadya mean ? they still are ?      , well fk 'em they wanted independence . Be careful what you wish for .



On a serious note the slave trade was western europe at it's worst , not a proud period in our history but you can't blame the descendants for the sins of their forefathers .

[Judge]

agreed woof

[JBG]

There has been some precedent here in that Germany paid a lot of compensation to Holocuast victims (and if memory serves correct still do, as well as financial and military aid to Israel) after World War Two. They were also forced to pay the Soviet Union reparations, although much of this amounted to Soviet armed forces stripping down workshops, putting them into railroad cars and shipping them east.....where most of the booty rusted into oblivion on railroad sidings.

China and Korea are currently seeking damages for women used by the Japanese armed forces as slave prostitutes during the 1930s and 1940s. As far as I know, the Japanese are refusing to yield on this.

I think the crucial difference is that, in the majority, the people seeking compensation are either the victims themselves or their direct lineal descendants. Most Western countries have a doctrine of fatal injury compensation in their legal systems, where the immediate family can sue for damages where a loved one dies either at the deliberate hand or recklessness or negligence of another person. From what Niall says above, this guy is looking for compensation for "crimes" that were committed centuries ago. I say "crimes" as of course, to any sensible minded person, slavery is a crime, but legally, slavery was allowed and legal in even Western European countries up until about 250 years ago. It wasn't a "crime" (in a strict technical sense) then, and while it is most certainly a crime now, it is very difficult to change a law retrospectively.

Of course Western Countries are not proud of slavery, but it was done by our forefathers hundreds of years ago. We today are not responsible for it so why should we pay for it now?

[Big Niall]

Compromise.

How about digging up the graves of those who died 200 years ago and if they burried a big wod of cash with them we'll take it out and throw it into the grave of a dead slave.

Can't say fairer than that.

[yckatbjywtbiastkamb]

there`s no doubt a lot of liverpool`s grand building`s were built on the back of the slave trade, but i doubt the poor blokes who built the pyramids had union representation either and no one seems to be on egypts back for that. the profits from not just the slave trade but the oppresive empire in general built most of britain, what do we do? knock down all our historical buildings?
i dont want to tivialise the plight of the slaves who had to put up with horrific conditions and treatment but right through the pages of history someone somewhere has been mistreated. as niall mentioned the potato famine could have been avoided because the british had mountains of corn in storage but by releasing it the value of corn would have plummeted so they decided on financial grounds not to. it sounds horrific but even now big western company`s run sweatshots in the third world which border on slavery.
i think rather than repayments the abolition of unfair working practises in the third world, unfair trade tariff`s and enforcement of human rights bills would be a far more fitting tribute to the poor slaves than a few quid into someones pocket.

[Pablo_Escobar]

Reparations are a cra.p idea. Britain owes slave descendants, yeah right, how about we go back and have Turks pay half of Europe reparations because they invaded ages ago ?? Cr.ap idea I say.
What's more disturbing is the Germans idea of a Hall of Memories based in Berlin. It's supposed to be a Hall in the memory of all Germans that were told to leave Polands new territories after WWII.
For me it's remaking history, some group called Herritage of Prussia wan't to sue Polish people for  their homes they left behind in 1945. It's like the Poles were invaders and the Nazis were the victims
Don't get me wrong, I have abolutely nothing against Germany, Germans etc. I love Oktoberfest and I've met some german people and they're great.
There are simply some groups that pi.ss me of extreamly while trying to rewrite the history and make themselves look like heroes.

[76-1115222408]

If it wasn't for us white devils they'd be living in mud huts ,no written language or running water, suffering from disease and starving most of the time .

Oops , whadya mean ? they still are ?    , well fk 'em they wanted independence . Be careful what you wish for .

 

Tell me you are joking please!!!!
And I suppose the 'English' which is actually a f.ucking mongrel race anyway, were doing ever so well before the times of the Roman invasion.
FFS, they are the ones that began the building of a road infrastructure in this country.
The remnants of these roads can still be found in central London, by Harrods, Chelsea and much of South Kensington ie; Gloucester Road etc; Thats why those roads are so wide and straight as they were built as large thoroughfares for both trade and the army.

So please dont act as if this country gave and helped out the world, they went to countries, took people as slaves and looted the riches of the country, be it Gold, Oil, Diamonds, Cotton etc; THEN allowed them to have independence when they had hardly anything left to make a go of it with anyway!

I dont think people who are around hundreds of years after the event should receive money TBH.
In the case of Germany however, if there are still Jewish people alive (or were still alive) they should be entitled to compensation, simply as they are still alive and will still be living with the memories of such events!
Other than that, I think it is quite pointless, EVEN if someone is a 'direct descendant' of someone who was unfortunate enough to have been captured and used as a 'slave'.

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