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[andy_g]

in what sense do you think these artists are forsaking the artistry and the science of art? how would you define the artistry and the science of art, in fact? do you have any examples?

[fivecups]

i'm hugely interested in all sorts of science and technology, and even work with scientists on a fairly regular basis. one of my main scientific colleagues happens to be from the nanotechnology area as well. i'm buggered if i'm going to discuss it in this philistine infested hole though.

You're an artist Andy - is that right? In what way do you work with scientists for your work?

i'm an artist yeah, how did that one get out?? for the last 20 years or so there's been an increasing number of artists drawn to science as a medium rather than just a subject matter - some artists are exploring chemistry, others physics, others the biosciences and others a mixture of these and others. the best work in this field maintains a critical edge as well as an aesthetic one. many contemporary artists realise that just making work that looks nice isn't enough and that there are many contentious issues which benefit from some sort of cultural engagement.


obvioulsy, artists cannot possibly understand the full complexity of scientific issues and methodologies so its often necessary to seek some sort of scientific connection to give the work a meaningful and valid basis. some choose to discuss and others find ways to actually spend time in the laboratory learning elements of the practice. the discourse generated by artists and scientists working together can become very interesting - although it seems there are many parallels between art and science the differences actually run very deep.

Very interesting Andy.

Are there any websites where this sort of work can be viewed?

[andy_g]

there's a professor at san francisco state university called stephen wilson who has put together a website with literally hundreds of links to artists projects and websites - here. of course, not all the work contained is brilliant, and not all of it are good examples of how art and science can draw the best out of each other, but there's plenty of good stuff in there too. i can send you some specific links to artists or projects who i think are especially interesting if you need more.

[fivecups]

there's a professor at san francisco state university called stephen wilson who has put together a website with literally hundreds of links to artists projects and websites - here. of course, not all the work contained is brilliant, and not all of it are good examples of how art and science can draw the best out of each other, but there's plenty of good stuff in there too. i can send you some specific links to artists or projects who i think are especially interesting if you need more.

Cheers Andy, I'll have a proper look at that later.

[burjennio]

As an artist, speaking about the parallels drawn between art and science - no pun intended - I find it ironic that a lot of artists these days are so willing to go beyond convention and tradition and forsake the artistry in art, or the science of art.

Cheers EM 

[In and Out]

in what sense do you think these artists are forsaking the artistry and the science of art? how would you define the artistry and the science of art, in fact? do you have any examples?

Would his 'arty' sig contradict his own statement?


I wonder.

[andy_g]

the thing is that many people believe that artists using science and technology is a new thing, when the truth is that since the very earliest times artists have been among the first to adopt new methodologies. this has taken many forms, such as developments in the chemistry involved in making pigments or the using the camera obscura to help in making landscapes. the computer is just the latest in a long line of technological appropriation. now that many previously inaccessible materials and techniques are (to a degree) becoming available to the amateur - such as biotechnology, for example - its only natural that artists are keen to explore it. obviously, the most interesting examples of these crossovers are where the artist is taking into account the social, political and cultural implications of the means at his or her disposal, rather than just making pretty things with it.

[Igor Zidane]

the thing is that many people believe that artists using science and technology is a new thing, when the truth is that since the very earliest times artists have been among the first to adopt new methodologies. this has taken many forms, such as developments in the chemistry involved in making pigments or the using the camera obscura to help in making landscapes. the computer is just the latest in a long line of technological appropriation. now that many previously inaccessible materials and techniques are (to a degree) becoming available to the amateur - such as biotechnology, for example - its only natural that artists are keen to explore it. obviously, the most interesting examples of these crossovers are where the artist is taking into account the social, political and cultural implications of the means at his or her disposal, rather than just making pretty things with it.

I was just going to say that !   

Anyway , leanardo da vinci is a prime example of the marriage of art and science  That is all i have to contribute to this thread as i'm not clever enough to say anthing else really , but i tried .

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the thing is that many people believe that artists using science and technology is a new thing, when the truth is that since the very earliest times artists have been among the first to adopt new methodologies. this has taken many forms, such as developments in the chemistry involved in making pigments or the using the camera obscura to help in making landscapes. the computer is just the latest in a long line of technological appropriation. now that many previously inaccessible materials and techniques are (to a degree) becoming available to the amateur - such as biotechnology, for example - its only natural that artists are keen to explore it. obviously, the most interesting examples of these crossovers are where the artist is taking into account the social, political and cultural implications of the means at his or her disposal, rather than just making pretty things with it.

I was just going to say that !   

Anyway , leanardo da vinci is a prime example of the marriage of art and science  That is all i have to contribute to this thread as i'm not clever enough to say anthing else really , but i tried .

I concur with both posts.

That's all I can add really too 

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the thing is that many people believe that artists using science and technology is a new thing, when the truth is that since the very earliest times artists have been among the first to adopt new methodologies. this has taken many forms, such as developments in the chemistry involved in making pigments or the using the camera obscura to help in making landscapes. the computer is just the latest in a long line of technological appropriation. now that many previously inaccessible materials and techniques are (to a degree) becoming available to the amateur - such as biotechnology, for example - its only natural that artists are keen to explore it. obviously, the most interesting examples of these crossovers are where the artist is taking into account the social, political and cultural implications of the means at his or her disposal, rather than just making pretty things with it.

I was just going to say that !   

Anyway , leanardo da vinci is a prime example of the marriage of art and science  That is all i have to contribute to this thread as i'm not clever enough to say anthing else really , but i tried .

I concur with both posts.

That's all I can add really too 

Surely the humble pencil is considered a technology and the graphite inside is an embedded fundamental of art within the discourse of it via science.

[andy_g]

we could say that every minute manipulation of material by humans (or any other animal) is technology if we wanted to get properly picky about it

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we could say that every minute manipulation of material by humans (or any other animal) is technology if we wanted to get properly picky about it

There you go then, art, science and techology go hand in glove then. Add mathematics to that as well 

I don't really understand what ER was trying to say.

[dawson99]

Andys rocking it with a PEST analysis, I like it dude, marketting ploys in a scientific world

[fivecups]

This is an image of the most famous cell in the world, the Hela cell, taken using nanotechnology. This cell has been at the centre of ethical, moral, social and cultural debate for over 50 years as well as being used for cutting-edge science over the same period of time. I actually read a book about it, very interesting.

[burjennio]

This is an image of the most famous cell in the world, the Hela cell, taken using nanotechnology. This cell has been at the centre of ethical, moral, social and cultural debate for over 50 years as well as being used for cutting-edge science over the same period of time. I actually read a book about it, very interesting.

I watched a documentary about 6 months back about the person those cells were taken from, a cancer patient named Henrietta Lacks. It focused not only on the widespread use of Hela in research but the total screwing over of Miss Lacks family as the company that discovered the gene stole it from her corpse and neglected to tell the family, using it to make millions of dollars. I believe they are still pursuing compensation to this day