Liverpool FC Forum

[babu]

Thing is guys this is very similiar IMO to the VCR. When it came out, the TV stations and production companies were very nervous. You could record and own protected content. Did they try to stop VCR recorders, yes, as well as sue. But they failed. However, they could still (but hardly ever did) prosecute those that recorded programs.

In other words I think that if the authorities decided (warrant etc) to search your PC and found protected content, and you could not prove purchase, then you'd be done. but as in the VCR example, it's just to widespread to police downstream

[LFC2007]

I don't really understand the technicalities of downloading music, but I've a few questions.... how can they identify the offenders?

Is it illegal to file share in Britain?

If it is illegal here, is it not possible for Sabre (for example) to download the music, and then send it to over here, or to the US.

Surely there must be a few loopholes to exploit?

bit surprised you're asking that LFC2007.

I am no expert, and could be wrong, but i view these sharing sites in a similar vein to the guy who sells VCR's from his trunk. 'Officer i didn't know it was stolen!'

If possession is proven surely you can still be done. Most (not all) music, movies, etc etc available is IP. Therefore if you cannot prove purchase in some form, you can be done (again i only think this).

Loopholes may exist for the facilitator, ie ‘I only provide a conduit to allow file sharing.. am I also required to monitor the traffic?’

As to your question about Tracking. Over here I know its possible for the relevant agency to track, at least to the fixed line, and they do. But whether they can bring it legally in court is another matter. Thank you personal privacy advocates.

In the meantime, I’ll still download copyrighted porn. Yeeebaaah!!!

I wasn't implying that I myself was going to look to exploit file sharing laws/rules, I was just asking. I know next to feck all about computers anyway.

[Sabre]

I don't really understand the technicalities of downloading music, but I've a few questions.... how can they identify the offenders?

Is it illegal to file share in Britain?

If it is illegal here, is it not possible for Sabre (for example) to download the music, and then send it to over here, or to the US.

Surely there must be a few loopholes to exploit?

When you upload any material onto the Internet, be it a image, a document or a file attachment, your IP address is left in the codec, which acts as identification. Think of it as a passport or a driving license for your Personal Computer.

Maybe it's the language, but where as the IP definition is more or less correct, I don't think your IP address is marked in the codec, which as far as I know is short of codification-decodification and has nothing to do with the transport protocol.

It's correct though that whenever you upload/download and for that matter connect to the internet you always use an IP.

Anonimity in the internet can be achieved IMHO, if you're good enough, not evidently with this software for script kiddies that hide you behind a network of proxy servers.

One point that is not touched is the individual rights. The RIAA and the likes seem to have the right to treat every internet user as a suspect and track their communications, but that clashes with a lot of individual rights at least in my country -- who are they to inspect my internet traffic, movie makers?, which are no less important than the rights of individuals


Even if you're tracked at some point they'll have to ask to some ISP who you are, and, for what is worth, last time I checked Russian ISPs do not answer nor ask much questions.
It's very complicated for them to erradicate all the file sharing.  They will get a couple of scapegoats for creating fear in some countries, but they'll never end this.

[LFC2007]

I don't really understand the technicalities of downloading music, but I've a few questions.... how can they identify the offenders?

Is it illegal to file share in Britain?

If it is illegal here, is it not possible for Sabre (for example) to download the music, and then send it to over here, or to the US.

Surely there must be a few loopholes to exploit?

When you upload any material onto the Internet, be it a image, a document or a file attachment, your IP address is left in the codec, which acts as identification. Think of it as a passport or a driving license for your Personal Computer.

Maybe it's the language, but where as the IP definition is more or less correct, I don't think your IP address is marked in the codec, which as far as I know is short of codification-decodification and has nothing to do with the transport protocol.

It's correct though that whenever you upload/download and for that matter connect to the internet you always use an IP.

Anonimity in the internet can be achieved IMHO, if you're good enough, not evidently with this software for script kiddies that hide you behind a network of proxy servers.

One point that is not touched is the individual rights. The RIAA and the likes seem to have the right to treat every internet user as a suspect and track their communications, but that clashes with a lot of individual rights at least in my country -- who are they to inspect my internet traffic, movie makers?, which are no less important than the rights of individuals


Even if you're tracked at some point they'll have to ask to some ISP who you are, and, for what is worth, last time I checked Russian ISPs do not answer nor ask much questions.
It's very complicated for them to erradicate all the file sharing.  They will get a couple of scapegoats for creating fear in some countries, but they'll never end this.

You may aswell start talking in Mandarin.

[Sabre]

In common language, you're not as exposed and vulnerable as they want you to think.

[Wilhelmsson]

I’ve read articles that state proxy programmes make it virtually impossible to be tracked on the Internet.

I know a person who attends my College who hides behind a proxy and uploads new movies, new singles and albums onto peer to peer listening programmes and has never been caught.

I’ve seen his IP address when he uses a proxy and it does not show his IP in digits, there’s just several full stops. Surely such full stops cannot be traced?

[jonnymac1979]

In an old job of mine, I used the Torpark proxy browser which you store on a USB stick to bypass the firewall and access gambling websites etc...



I know it's a poor anecdote.  I'm sorry.

[Emerald Red]

I don't really understand the technicalities of downloading music, but I've a few questions.... how can they identify the offenders?

Is it illegal to file share in Britain?

If it is illegal here, is it not possible for Sabre (for example) to download the music, and then send it to over here, or to the US.

Surely there must be a few loopholes to exploit?

It's illeagal all over, mate. You're not even meant to lend stuff out without their permission.

Anyway, someone got sued - in America! Whay! Big suprise there. Those c*nts sue their own family members.

One thing is for sure: I won't be put off by downloading whatever the f*ck I want. They can blow me.

[Dundalk]

One of the world's most-used pirate film websites has been closed after providing links to illegal versions of major Hollywood hits and TV shows.

The first closure of a major UK-based pirate site was also accompanied by raids and an arrest, the anti-piracy group Federation Against Copyright Theft (Fact) said today.

A 26-year-old man from Cheltenham was arrested on Thursday in connection with offences relating to the facilitation of copyright infringement on the internet, Fact said.


The arrest and the closure of the site - www.tv-links.co.uk - came during an operation by officers from Gloucestershire County Council trading standards in conjunction with investigators from Fact and Gloucestershire Police.

Fact claims that tv-links.co.uk was providing links to illegal film content that had been camcorder recorded from cinemas and then uploaded to the internet. The site also provided links to TV shows that were being illegally distributed.

Visitors to the site could get access to major feature films, sometimes within days of their initial cinema release. Recent links took users to illegal versions of the Disney/Pixar animation sensation Ratatouille as well as to most of this summer's blockbusters.

"Sites such as TV Links contribute to and profit from copyright infringement by identifying, posting, organising, and indexing links to infringing content found on the internet that users can then view on demand by visiting these illegal sites," said a spokesman for Fact.

The group's director general Kieron Sharp said TV Links was the first major target in a campaign to crackdown on web piracy.

"The theft and distribution of films harms the livelihoods of those working in the UK film industry and in ancillary industries, as well as damaging the economy," he said.

Roger Marles, from Trading Standards said sites such as TV Links allowed people to break UK copyright law.

"The 'users' are potentially evading licence fees, subscription fees to digital services or the cost of purchase or admittance to cinemas to view the films," he added.

The British Video Association estimates that at least £459m was lost to the video, film and TV industries due to piracy in 2006.

[Emerald Red]

One of the world's most-used pirate film websites has been closed after providing links to illegal versions of major Hollywood hits and TV shows.

The first closure of a major UK-based pirate site was also accompanied by raids and an arrest, the anti-piracy group Federation Against Copyright Theft (Fact) said today.

A 26-year-old man from Cheltenham was arrested on Thursday in connection with offences relating to the facilitation of copyright infringement on the internet, Fact said.


The arrest and the closure of the site - www.tv-links.co.uk - came during an operation by officers from Gloucestershire County Council trading standards in conjunction with investigators from Fact and Gloucestershire Police.

Fact claims that tv-links.co.uk was providing links to illegal film content that had been camcorder recorded from cinemas and then uploaded to the internet. The site also provided links to TV shows that were being illegally distributed.

Visitors to the site could get access to major feature films, sometimes within days of their initial cinema release. Recent links took users to illegal versions of the Disney/Pixar animation sensation Ratatouille as well as to most of this summer's blockbusters.

"Sites such as TV Links contribute to and profit from copyright infringement by identifying, posting, organising, and indexing links to infringing content found on the internet that users can then view on demand by visiting these illegal sites," said a spokesman for Fact.

The group's director general Kieron Sharp said TV Links was the first major target in a campaign to crackdown on web piracy.

"The theft and distribution of films harms the livelihoods of those working in the UK film industry and in ancillary industries, as well as damaging the economy," he said.

Roger Marles, from Trading Standards said sites such as TV Links allowed people to break UK copyright law.

"The 'users' are potentially evading licence fees, subscription fees to digital services or the cost of purchase or admittance to cinemas to view the films," he added.

The British Video Association estimates that at least £459m was lost to the video, film and TV industries due to piracy in 2006.

F*ck sake. Even before I read the part where it mentions the site, I knew what site it was going to say. I've been trying to get on it from two nights ago and the page wasn't loading up. I was thinking it was an error on my PC or something. C*nts. That site was good.

[Red @ Heart]

its a a vicious circle, they will shut one site down, 1 week later a new one will open up, they will never be able to stop piracy ever.

[Scottbot]

If your worried about file sharing then try www.mp3sparks.com it used to be www.allofmp3.com but it's renamed and back in business. Cheap cheap perfect quality Russian download site.

[burjennio]

i tried gettin on it yesterday, i kinda figured somethin like this had happened, they did the same thing to familyguynow.com about 3 or 4 weeks ago

[Sabre]

its a a vicious circle, they will shut one site down, 1 week later a new one will open up, they will never be able to stop piracy ever.

Yes, it's like that but instead of one site, it will be two. Sites that try to do money with piracy know perfectly the risks they're facing, especially if they're the owners of a European Union site.

ABout the industry of music and films, it bores me to dead that they moan about they're not making as much money as they used to. Those companies should realise that their purpose when they rised was to let the music be known. When discs came, professional musicians that worked in radios to make music backgrounds with real instruments, were fired, as the discs were played instead. So they cannot truly wield the flag of musicians, for that matter.

Discographic companies first sold a CD at 20€, they said the CDs were expensive. When the cost of making a CD went down to 0.05 cents, did they lower the price? No they didn't, they kept making profit. They reacted late and not in a proper way to the new reality, and now they'll pay for it. Music will never dissapear. Great bands like Radiohead have adapted to the new times and make available their music in the internet. They're good musicians, so no surprise the people respond well to their initiative, and will crowd their concerts when they come to Spain or anywhere in the world. The ones who have to worry is the likes of Britney Spears, for all I care, they can dissapear, and their disc company aswell.


Just as those radio musicians work got obsolote, the purpose of discographies is obsolete, and they'll tend to dissapear, their services will not be as needed any more, not at the same extent. They have problems? so had the miners, or the agriculture workers, their golden chicken just stopped to give golden eggs, hard luck.

About film industry, pretty much the same. Those films which are quality, will be worth to be seen in the cinema, with the big screen, the great sound, the pop corn and those sensations that downloading a film at home won't give you.

I'll keep buying the products I consider good, and to test if they're worth the money, I'll keep downloading it.

[Woollyback]

sabre's right, the music industry is paying the price for ripping us off for decades. in britain cd prices have been held artificially higher than the usa/continental europe for years so they can pull our pants down and rape us for more money. the fact that their profits are tumbling due to file sharing serves the f.uckers right. tw@ts