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[Smeg]

I was in a Geography lesson at the time, year 8 at school I think, that night we played Boavista at Anfield, bus journey down was just eveyone talking about the attack etc.

1-1 at the footy, Dudek gaff, Owen got us a point ( we equalised i think)

[PhiLFC]

But do you believe ?

I was well p.issed when I viewed the links that you posted.  Just had a look at em again... makes you think doesn't it?

My thoughts are:

Fred Dibnah could not have brought down the towers with more precision and they were hit by aeroplanes

The Pentagon thing... Remember Lockerbie? Remember the devastation and the fukkin huge hole in the ground? Exactly!

[Bad Bob]

A work colleague was in New York a couple of weeks after 9/11 with his missus (they'd had it booked for ages) and he came back and remarked how bizarre everything felt in NYC, he'd been a few times before and said the whole place felt totally different to before. I got married there just over a year after 9/11 and I can't compare it to anything cos it was the 1st time I'd been there, but the city was just amazing, the absolute dog's bollox and the New Yorkers were just like how you'd imagine them - ballsy, brash, noisy, busy etc etc. But down at ground zero you could cut the atmosphere with a knife. Everywhere else in the city the locals are just "chatter chatter chatter" all day long, but down there they were all totally silent. Bear in mind that it's not a particularly touristy part of Manhattan down there, it's just purely business and offices and skyscrapers and be-suited stockbrokers everywhere. It was wierdly silent there, everybody just walked around with an empty expression on their faces and nobody was on their mobile or chatting or anything

There was (still is?) a massive great wall of hoardings on which there lies the name of every single person (2500?) who died there. The wording is very strong, it says something like here are the names of the men, women and children who were MURDERED here on 9/11...

Work has been under way for a while on the new buildings so I don't know what it looks like now but when I was there it was still very much a hole on the ground where all the rubble had been removed and a lot of the surrounding builings still looked very badly damaged/scarred. The flagship building will be the "freedom Tower" and will be NYC's new tallest building, taller than the twin towers. To me that makes such a good statement to the Islamist terrorists who'd gladly drag the entire world back into the middle ages. LIFE GOES ON, no matter what atrocities they can conceive. LIFE GOES ON, no matter how much they want us all to regress. WE ARE NOT AFRAID.

Yeah, me and my missus went down to NYC less than a month after it happened and it definitely was a strange vibe.  Armed national guardsmen on every corner and everyone just on edge.  Recall that this was just after a plane had had a problem taking off from La Guardia airport and there was the whole anthrax in the mail scare on the East Coast...crazy times.

We steered well clear of Ground Zero that trip.  It was too soon and things were too raw for people around there and it just didn't seem right to be poking about as nosey tourists.  Yet, elsewhere in the city life was returning to a new version of normal--that famous brashness was in full display and we took heart: New York was still New York.  Hands down the most amazing city I've ever visited.

(On the original question, I was sat in my office at school listening to the radio---which I never do--so I heard all of the reports in real time.  Quickly moved over to the campus pub to watch things unfold on telly...that was the quietest that place has ever been when packed to capacity, I assure you.)

[drummerphil]

If it was ever found out to be the work of the us government,can you imagine the fall out.There would be nothing bigger ever in history.But anyone who views the evidence in the loads of dvds out there especially on Ebay.......they really make you sit up and take note.

[The Manhattan Project]

Fred Dibnah could not have brought down the towers with more precision and they were hit by aeroplanes

The Pentagon thing... Remember Lockerbie? Remember the devastation and the fukkin huge hole in the ground? Exactly!

The fall of the World Trade Center towers caused total devestation across lower Manhattan. "Precision" is not an accurate description. The South Tower broke in half and toppled over. It was chaotic. The North Tower collapsed in on itself. Each tower reacted differently due to the way they were hit and the damage they sustained.

The Pentagon was essentially a highly fortified concrete slab hit by a much smaller plane (than Lockerbie) at a shallower angle. The plane that hit the Pentagon was pretty much shredded like tinfoil. The plan was never to destroy the Pentagon but rather as a symbolic strike against a symbol of American military power. And even at that, the Pentagon still suffered significant damage. The houses on Sherwood Crescent were nowhere near as robust as the Pentagon, and besides they were hit by two wings fully laden with fuel connected to enormous engines falling from thirty-one thousand feet virtually straight down.

I don't subscribe to the conspiracy theorists. It fails to take into account the fantaticism of the enemy. These guys don't think twice about strapping bombs to themselves, blowing out women's brains at point-blank range and cutting people's heads off and people doubt whether they are committed enough to fly a plane into a building? It has a precedent. The Japanese did it, and the theorists don't think that Islamic terrorists weren't capable of the same level of extremism?

If anything, the cause of September 11th was America underestimating their enemy and the politicians failing to act on intel and opportunities they were presented with due to short-sighted diplomatic decision. A failure to act decisively when required to do so.

[Woollyback]

the conspiracy theorists have gone into incredible detail and picked at every single minute little point to try and prove their theories, and have still failed to arouse more than a minor suspicion amongst all but the usual neurotic suspects. what if the authorities applied the same level of scrutiny as the connspiracy theorists? reverse the scenario and the theorist's ramblings would be absolutely torn to shreds and shown to be what they almost certainly are: pseudo paranoid self-publicist nonsense

whilst they're quite fun to read, anyone who genuinely believes the 9/11 attacks were staged by the us government wants their feckin head read

[drummerphil]

My head is too fecked up to read now anyway,but i still say the conspiracy dvds i have are very very convincing.......fecked head or not.......woolly mate......

[Effes]

I was on a course in Speke.
The bloke running the course broke the news and seemed a bit freaked I remember thinking he was over-reacting.

That night we played Werder Bremen (?) 1-1, me and me brother were watching the news on TV in a pub before the game.
It was weird but you couldn't help but want to watch replay after replay after replay of the planes.

I remember the next day the Daily Express report on the match likend Owen's equaliser to the flight of one of thos planes!! Disgraceful journalism.

[LFC #1]

If anything, the cause of September 11th was America underestimating their enemy and the politicians failing to act on intel and opportunities they were presented with due to short-sighted diplomatic decision. A failure to act decisively when required to do so.

Exactly.

I generally don't believe the American government had anything to do with the attacks, but from what I have seen/read they had enough information to stop them IMO.

As you said, they underestimated their enemy, they didn't expect that these fundamentalists were capable of pulling off such an operation, but they did.

The signs were there, people entering the country who were on the terrorist watch list, who subsequently took flying lessons without learning how to land. The CIA intercepted phone calls on September 10th warning of a huge attack the next day, but because these threats are common and due to American's complacency they ignored them.

However, they obviously thought enough of the threats to take government officials of flights that day as a precaution.

They chose to ignore the warning signs, but I suppose when there hadn't been a major attack on America since WTC 1993, and the insignificance of the date September 11th, they became complacent and it costs 3000 lives.

Today, this attack would have been stopped, but unfortunately it took such a tragedy for the CIA etc to step up and realise what they were dealing with.

[babu]

Exactly one month before 9/11, my girlfriend and i were in New York, finishing up our american stage of  our world tour. we had just completed 6 months and 33,000 miles driving around the states. We went up the world trade centre, unfortunatly it was raining and we weren't allowed on the observation deck. We thought no problems, flights from london (our next destination) were quite cheap, we'd be back.

One month later i had just returned to putney from Milton Keyes (after a bad job interview) and walked passed a pub only to see on the tele, a plane crash into the second tower. It took me a good few hours to except what i was seeing was real and not a practical joke. It was beyond horrendous and like a lot of people around me that day, we just kinda turned catatonic.

2 weeks later i broke up with my girlfriend after arguing with her friend. She wanted to send out the troops and blow people up, i kept asking her who she'd like to blow up?? According to her Afghanistan and Iraq needed to wiped of the map. sheesh. (ps this was before anyone really knew what happened and who did it)

[NiftyNeil]

OR THIS

That's an interesting video. I've always been intrigued by conspiracy theories, and there are many surrounding the events of 9/11.
Hovewer, I don't buy into them.
Imagine if it wasn't a plane that hit the Pentagon. If that was the case, where's the real plane that went missing? The Bermuda triangle? Area 51? Royston Vasey?

Back to topic, I was in work at the time. I was in the office, when one of the lads off the shopfloor phoned me to inform me of it. The way he described it, I thought of Fight Club. I thought some urban terrorist/anarchists were to blame. I went to watch the telly in the canteen - at that point, the second tower was collapsing. It's the most surreal thing I've ever seen. It was happening in front of our eyes, yet it didn't seem that is was. Fucking nuts!

I don't think we'll ever see anything like it again. At least I pray that we don't.

[craig da Toxteth iron]

I come in from college. went in my room switch on the tele & it was BBC news 24 flash on BBC. I then Rushed down to tell me mother.

[stmichael]

I was waiting for the train to Liverpool for the Boavista game that night. Mate told me the Libyans had flown two fighter jets into the WTC. "What? How the f#ck...no way!" says I.

The train was buzzing with half-baked stories, none of which came close too the reality. Watched it all unfold on CNN in the Vines. You just knew then we were gonna go to war over this. The game became an irrelevance.

[anfieldadorer]

i was at work and told by my boss to hurry up watching tv, couldn't believe what i was seeing, it was just like special effects on king kong movie

[Kash_Mountain]

Was at work at the time, one of the guys in the other room rushed came into our room and told us what had happed.  I assumed, like most people that it was a light aircraft that was in trouble.  However, events became clearer upon watching the video footage on the internet at work. We all just stood there completely stunned.

One of the most dreadful days in the history of human kind.  I just hope one day (in my life time) that Peace & Love throughout the world, rules.  It has to if the human race wants to evolve and grow.