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Brilliant going forward horrific at the back.. get used to it guys.

Was this as bad to watch as it was to follow on the Interweb? 23 shots and only 2 goals? Shyte defending again???

Had a feeling that was going to happen the moment Bobby missed that pen, whenever we miss a golden opportunity to put a game away it always seems to come back and bite us on the *****.
We looked by far the better side though which bodes well for the rest of the group.

Unless something dramatic happens on January we have hit our glass ceiling..with this defence and this 3 stooges MF their is a limit to what you can achieve..And it's agonizing cause we are really 2 quality players from launching an assault on all fronts..stubborn Klopp.

We would be unbeatable playing 15 mins each way at 200 mph but we fade second half and teams find it a lot more comfortable to pick holes in our obvious defects in midfield and at the back.

These defects should have been addressed long ago and its Klopps fault, he wont last another season unless something dramatic changes in January.

parchpea » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:54 pm wrote:We would be unbeatable playing 15 mins each way at 200 mph but we fade second half and teams find it a lot more comfortable to pick holes in our obvious defects in midfield and at the back.

These defects should have been addressed long ago and its Klopps fault, he wont last another season unless something dramatic changes in January.

Come on mate that's crazy talk.

We are going no where with this defence, it's a complete shambles, it's even worse than last year with the farcical decision to bring Moreno back into the first team and the failure to upgrade at centre back, Klopp has a lot to answer for the situation is a complete joke

I dont think Klopp is doing that great a job now, had enough windows to rehash the defence and midfield plus goalkeeper but botches buying Karius and has now bunged 40m on a third sub Oxlade Chamberlain, a player we did not need.

Its a big season for Klopp and its as though he can drift along without any pressure being applied, maybe he needs a boot up his backside and home truths now as we are literally relying on scoring 100 + goals a season to compete.

Soft goals conceded again and same problem of it undermining our attacking play. Just totally lack a dominant defender. Lovren and Matip are decent but neither is a natural leader or organiser. Both need to be playing next to someone who takes control imo.

We can be dominant all we want but are not always going to score 4/5 goals and letting in soft goals has been going on for years. Maybe it's just the consequence of the way we setup but that is not a route to consistent, long term success

Our defence is always going to be shyte and leaking goals if we persist with the current muppets we have. Its pretty much every game now and its unbearable. Our front line is whats keeping us going but they aren't as consistent as our defence. 24 goal attempts we had and their Keeper had only 1 save to make    A point isn't the end of the world but it should have been 3 only for deadly dejan strikes again.
Firmino was unlucky with the pen but overall was probably our best player tonight, Salah and Mane offer serious speed with the former looking like he reads Coutinho like a book.

Doeboy » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:15 pm wrote:Soft goals conceded again and same problem of it undermining our attacking play. Just totally lack a dominant defender. Lovren and Matip are decent but neither is a natural leader or organiser. Both need to be playing next to someone who takes control imo.

We can be dominant all we want but are not always going to score 4/5 goals and letting in soft goals has been going on for years. Maybe it's just the consequence of the way we setup but that is not a route to consistent, long term success

Mate Lovren is just a complete liability. Look at the state of him for the first goal http://www.flashscore.com/match/vZa0XFUC/#video Wouldn't matter who you had alongside him if he continues to do stuff like that.

wouldn't hit the panic button just yet, Klopp isn't to blame. Two points...
1. Defensive we are weak.
2 the amount of chances we SQUANDER, is shocking.

We create enough chances to be 3-0 up in the first half, the problem is, we don't have a regular goalscorer in the no 9 position.
Had Luis Suarez been playing in Firminho position tonight, we'd have scored six goals.

Firminho should be on the bench, and replaced with a proper striker, which is Sturridge.

Also, Henderson should be dropped and replaced with Coutinho.

We just have the wrong mix in the team.
Wjnaldum was epic first half. Sharp, fast, doesn't lose possession.

Midfield. Henderson, can, and Wjnaldum, all can't shoot on target to save their lives.

Sturridge up front please, Klopp.

Fowler_E7 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:03 pm wrote:We are going no where with this defence, it's a complete shambles, it's even worse than last year with the farcical decision to bring Moreno back into the first team and the failure to upgrade at centre back, Klopp has a lot to answer for the situation is a complete joke

Moreno played well imo.

parchpea » Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:09 pm wrote:I dont think Klopp is doing that great a job now, had enough windows to rehash the defence and midfield plus goalkeeper but botches buying Karius and has now bunged 40m on a third sub Oxlade Chamberlain, a player we did not need.

Its a big season for Klopp and its as though he can drift along without any pressure being applied, maybe he needs a boot up his backside and home truths now as we are literally relying on scoring 100 + goals a season to compete.

Say we get rid of him who do you have in mind to replace him? And what makes you think that they'd come here?
We are lucky to have Jurgen.