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Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:30 pm
by Cool Hand Luke
I think we can afford some rotation but we shouldn’t go crazy. They are the Hungarian champions so I’m sure they will be decent technically and have one or two danger men.
Reina
Degen Carragher Skrtel Aurelio
Gerrard Lucas
Kuyt Voronin Riera
Babel
Torres
Benayoun
Pacheco
Mascherano
Kyrgiakos
Johnson
Cavalieri
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Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:19 am
by woof woof !
Bl'oody hell, some of us are sounding like AC Milan at half time, there's confindence and there's arrogance, wouldn't start celebrating just yet.
I agree with the sentiments of John Craig and Cool Hand although personally I wouldn't drop Torres, stick him on from the start, bring him off if (hopefully) we go a couple of goals up .
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Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:21 am
by Sabre
Yes, I agree Woof and John. I'd rest 2 or 3 players if you will, but let's take the competition seriously.
Plus we learned in a long thread that making TOO MANY changhes is a bad idea.
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Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:58 am
by Greavesie
i dont think we should play a weakened side. this is one of the easier games so Id be sure to get the 3 points rather than risk it. The other games would prove a lot trickier if we didnt win this one
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Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:18 pm
by Roger Red Hat
is goal difference important ? play a full squad and humiliate them. builds confidence, maintaining the squad keeps the balance right and 10 goals might just come in useful.
simples
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Wed Sep 16, 2009 5:28 am
by bigmick
It seems I'm picking up some flack for apparent inconsistency, which is fair enough. I suppose having banged on about over rotation (correctly) for years it's only natural that the moment I advocate some "resting" I'm going to cop a bit.
Just to clarify though and argue my point, all circumstances are different to each other and despite accusations to the contrary, I've never ever said we ought to play the same team in every single game (that was what the blanket throwers used to say in order to try and dampen down discussion as I remember).
Lets have a little look at the situation, and while we're at it compare it with the Birmingham situation.
Firstly, as of now we only have one viable striker. Not two, three, or four, but one. Who's fault that is if anyones is for other threads, but I think pretty much everyone would agree that if Torres gets seriously injured we are absolutely fecked. This is a different situation to the previous periods when we were rotating ourselves into dizziness, and probably to some extent explains why we don't do it anymore. So if we accept that keeping Torres fit and fresh is absolutely vital, then surely we can accept that the point of view at least that we don't play him in games where it isn't entirely necessary is not off the wall.
Now to come back briefly to Johns point about the manager being damned if he does and damned if he doesn't, I don't think that's fair to be honest. I never said he SHOULD have rested Torres against Burnley, Torres had to play simply because we haven't got anybody else. My point is/was that in an ideal world, given the fact that our star striker looks dead on his feet, we would have been able to at least consider resting him, as it was we couldn't/can't.
Equally, while I think we have proven categorically over the previous few seasons that it really does make sense to get some momentum up before you start chopping and changing (particularly if it involves replacing first choice players with others who are fairly obviously inferior), two mitigating factors apply as of now. Firstly, we kind of have a bit of momentum in that we've just strung a couple of wins together. We're not exactly flying, but at least we have got something going after a pretty average start. Secondly, if ever there was a game in which you can concieveably afford to feck up it's the first Champions League match. We'll still qualify out of the group regardless of the result in this match, and as I said earlier the Premiership game on Saturday is much more important.
The last reason I can think of as of now that I'd certainly leave Torres outat the very least is this. He isn't going to stay fit all season, he isn't going to be able to play in every league match. At some point during the season, we are going to need to come up with an alternative. Hopefully it won't be for long otherwise we'll be very quickly also rans, but for a few matches at least we are going to need to find a solution. Doesn't it make sense in a game which we can afford to lose, to have a look at some alternative? My alternative would be to play Babel up top, with Benayoun off him. I'd play this against the Hungarian team, and I'd tell Torres to have a few days off.
Just to say it again, our situation in the league is extremely serious. Lose at West Ham and Chelsea and we are absolutely gone for all money, THAT should be our focus, not the game tonight.