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leeroy74 » Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:18 am wrote:I think if BR combs his hair different and calls himself Roger Brendan he'll get an interview for the job.

leeroy74 » Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:18 am wrote:I think if BR combs his hair different and calls himself Roger Brendan he'll get an interview for the job.

aCe' » Tue Oct 06, 2015 2:16 am wrote:I'll comment and add to your lists Damjan... Very similar to my feelings regarding Klopp and Ancelotti. Initially, I thought Klopp was the better fit for the same reasons as everyone : can operate on a budget, signs unknown players and his passion for the game is contagious. However, the more I compared him to the alternative (Ancelotti), the more it became apparent to me that the 2 arent even in the same league as managers.

Klopp is going to get the job and he's a fantastic second choice as far as I'm concerned. I would have preferred an Ancelotti+(Carra or Gerrard) management team but I understand how unlikely it is.


I'll address a few points you and others have made:

- Ancelotti would only come for 2-3 seasons- Klopp is interested in the project.

I don't know about everyone else but I'm not interested in any project. I'd want a manager to come in, give assurances about a top4 place next season, and a title challenge in the seasons to follow. If Ancelotti comes in and fails to deliver after 2-3 seasons then I'm sure the fans will turn on him and ask for his head. It'll be the same under Klopp, Mourinho, Rafa, etc. If he wants to leave after 3 seasons to manage Bayern, Italy or whoever, he either leaves having achieved, or he leaves having failed. Either way it works for us. He's been a 'short term manager' for Chelsea, PSG, and Madrid most recently. Every one of these clubs would consider him if results start to go wayward because he's won titles during his short tenures. Ancelotti would demand more from the owners, he won't come to challenge for 4th; I'm not sure the same could be said for Klopp.

- Ancelotti has succeeded at the richest clubs - if we were owned by Arabs he would have been the right pick.

Over the past 5 seasons(2010 till the latest transfer window), only Chelsea, City, and Real Madrid have spent more than we have in transfers. We've spent close to 450mill (around 300m under Rodgers) and what do we have to show for it ? Coutinho and Sturridge maybe. Having rich Arab owners helps. It allows us to make mistakes in the transfer market that can be rectified in the next window. The problem we have at the club is that we make mistakes and them compound them in trying to rectify them (see Alonso, Torres, Suarez, etc.). I have no doubt that the money we had would have been spent better by an Ancelotti than it was by both Kenny and Rodgers, and I'd put good money on Ancelotti being a bigger draw to top players than Klopp.

Now for some more pros and cons.

Jurgen Klopp

Pros:
- Knowledge of the German league; If theres a player in the German league who is good enough for the top level and is yet to be snapped by Bayern, he'll know about him. I expect him to bring in a few players from Germany early on.
- Interviews and press conferences. Something we have complained about quite a lot on the forum. This.guy.is.entertainment.gold.
- Popularity. He hasnt signed yet and the fans are already in love with him.

Cons:
- Ambition. Will he demand more from our board (money and control) than he did at Dortmund ?
- Transfers. He lost most of his best players and seemed to struggle to replace them with equal quality.


Carlo Ancelotti

Pros:
-Ive already given enough

Cons:
- Hasnt managed a struggling side lacking in quality in over 10 years.
- Would demand high wages which would make getting rid of him a harder task if results dont go our way
- Liverpool fans like seeing passion from a manager and Ancelotti is as balanced an individual as they come (Pellegrini like in a sense). Players who played under him love him but fans might use it against him if results are poor.
- Could be tempted if a bigger job comes calling.

redshade » Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:21 pm wrote:Compared to BR, klopp may take europa  more seriously and with his experience we nay do a lot better in the competition than presumed.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:40 pm wrote:The danger of appointing someone like Ancelotti is after spending the last decade managing the likes of Chelsea, PSG and Real Madrid (i.e clubs with tons of cash and a realistic chance of winning things) he may well see us as a step down, I don't necessarily mean in terms of size (we are a far bigger club than either Chelsea or PSG) but in terms of the potential for success. For example someone who has won the CL 3 times is not going to get fired up by the prospect of trying to finish fourth. He comes across as cool, calm and pragmatic as well. Pragmatists arent good when you are trying to upset the odds.

One of the reasons Klopp is coming here is because he is a footballing romantic, he could easily get a bigger job than us if he was prepared to sit and wait but he knows we are probably the most emotionally driven club in world football, the rational part of his brain is probably telling him to swerve us at all costs but the other 99% of his sentient being wants to be part of this club because he runs on emotion too.
He could hang on 6 months and go to Bayern or one of the 2 spanish Giants and win trophies galore but I think he doesn't just want silverware he wants a connection with the fans, he doesn't want to go somewhere where the odds are in his favour he wants to upset them, he's got a touch of the Bill Shanklys about him in that respect, the old scottish warrior poet believed in people power and he believed that if the holy trinity of manager, team and fanbase became one then mountains could be moved, obviously the game has moved on but I think Klopp is cut from the same cloth, even in these cynical times he believes big hearts can beat a big balance sheets, as fans lets get behind him and prove him right.