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7_Kewell » Sat Aug 20, 2016 1:42 pm wrote:

woof woof ! » Sat Aug 20, 2016 12:07 pm wrote:Moreno has been given more than enough opportunities to prove himself and Defensively he's come up short.

We need to show some real ambition, given that we've brought more money in than we've spent this window we shouldn't be afraid to splash some cash to solve our "problem" at left back.

If it was up to me I'd open the cheque book to sign Rodriguez at Wolfsburg .

Other options would be Di Sciglio (Milan), Bertrand (Southampton) or even to try and re-open negotiations for Hector (Cologne).

Hector signed a new contract a couple of weeks back, so think that has ended any possible transfer. Would like to see Rodriguez though, he looks the business

Layun from Porto.

The beginning of his career was really big, but nowadays his game is just plain. The only thing he's been doing better is getting more appearances.

I feel Moreno would do well if he was converted to a left winger. He doesn't have the defensive abilities but his pace and shooting would be useful in a situation where we're chasing a goal against tired legs.

I agree about Moreno Maypax but just don't think it will happen at this club.

maypaxvobiscum » Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:09 am wrote:I feel Moreno would do well if he was converted to a left winger. He doesn't have the defensive abilities but his pace and shooting would be useful in a situation where we're chasing a goal against tired legs.

He's definitely more of a winger than a defender but with our current options he's nowhere near the first team in that capacity (and never will be). As you say, he'd be an impact sub to run at tired legs, nothing more.

maypaxvobiscum wrote:I feel Moreno would do well if he was converted to a left winger. He doesn't have the defensive abilities but his pace and shooting would be useful in a situation where we're chasing a goal against tired legs.

Pace is all he has and the rest he is just average at. His shooting is beyond a joke and crossing isn't any better. His tackling and him just being on the field is a liability during games.
If his brain had a relationship with his legs then he might be worth keeping around but it isn't, so probably best to ship him out at the end of the season.

Two incidents summed him up on tuesday
1. He wraps himself around a player in our box and gets away with a penalty
2. He goes missing (again) and is lucky that the kid sh'it himself when he chested the ball down for Mignolet to grab it off his foot.
If you like heart in the mouth, mistake strewn football then he's your man

I really don't care what he is converted into providing it is not with LFC. Fk knows why we spent an entire summer chasing this lad.Unfortunately he is useless.

dont quite understand the level of criticism being levelled at Moreno. The lad is a clearly a talented player. You can see his link up play at attack was quite sensational yesterday. Obviously his weakness is his defending. But he was never a fullback. BR bought him as a wingback when played with 3 CB's. He is wither a wingback or a winger.

Had a much better game than I thought he would yesterday. Still flinging himself around and causing trouble in and around our area though. His assist was wiped out with the stupid "hands behind the back and inviting the cross which allowed them to score" effort.
Still not good enough for a team which aspires to win things.

The lad has got a lot of natural ability, never mind other fullbacks most players could only dream of having that type of searing pace and he's not just quick in terms of top end speed he's got tremendous acceleration too. Pace like that is a great asset to have as a defender and to be fair to the lad as erratic as he has been his recovery pace has bailed us out on numerous occasions.
He's actually not that bad on the ball either, in fact he's probably more comfortable on the ball than Clyne but the big difference is that Clyne makes a lot of good decisions, Clyne doesn't lunge in two footed in our box when the forward is going nowhere, he doesn't shank clearances straight to opposition players and he doesn't get caught upfield leaving his flank completely exposed either.
The frustrating thing about Moreno is that God or nature or genetics has gifted him with all the natural attributes to be a top, top class Roberto Carlos style fullback, it's just that he doesn't engage his brain and think what he's doing, he just needs to calm down and compose himself instead of just flying in or swinging wildly at the ball.
The good thing is that he can learn, the things he lacks can be taught, he's better off lacking defensive awareness than pace because if you are slow you are slow, there's f[uc]k all that can be done about that, but through experience and work on the training field he can become a better defender.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:07 pm wrote:The lad has got a lot of natural ability, never mind other fullbacks most players could only dream of having that type of searing pace and he's not just quick in terms of top end speed he's got tremendous acceleration too. Pace like that is a great asset to have as a defender and to be fair to the lad as erratic as he has been his recovery pace has bailed us out on numerous occasions.
He's actually not that bad on the ball either, in fact he's probably more comfortable on the ball than Clyne but the big difference is that Clyne makes a lot of good decisions, Clyne doesn't lunge in two footed in our box when the forward is going nowhere, he doesn't shank clearances straight to opposition players and he doesn't get caught upfield leaving his flank completely exposed either.
The frustrating thing about Moreno is that God or nature or genetics has gifted him with all the natural attributes to be a top, top class Roberto Carlos style fullback, it's just that he doesn't engage his brain and think what he's doing, he just needs to calm down and compose himself instead of just flying in or swinging wildly at the ball.
The good thing is that he can learn, the things he lacks can be taught, he's better off lacking defensive awareness than pace because if you are slow you are slow, there's f[uc]k all that can be done about that, but through experience and work on the training field he can become a better defender.

Agreed

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:07 pm wrote:The lad has got a lot of natural ability, never mind other fullbacks most players could only dream of having that type of searing pace and he's not just quick in terms of top end speed he's got tremendous acceleration too. Pace like that is a great asset to have as a defender and to be fair to the lad as erratic as he has been his recovery pace has bailed us out on numerous occasions.
He's actually not that bad on the ball either, in fact he's probably more comfortable on the ball than Clyne but the big difference is that Clyne makes a lot of good decisions, Clyne doesn't lunge in two footed in our box when the forward is going nowhere, he doesn't shank clearances straight to opposition players and he doesn't get caught upfield leaving his flank completely exposed either.
The frustrating thing about Moreno is that God or nature or genetics has gifted him with all the natural attributes to be a top, top class Roberto Carlos style fullback, it's just that he doesn't engage his brain and think what he's doing, he just needs to calm down and compose himself instead of just flying in or swinging wildly at the ball.
The good thing is that he can learn, the things he lacks can be taught, he's better off lacking defensive awareness than pace because if you are slow you are slow, there's f[uc]k all that can be done about that, but through experience and work on the training field he can become a better defender.

Finally someone who sees his natural talent. I am always of the opinion that if he learns, get more experience, he could be an exciting and dynamic full back, like you mention, in the mold of roberto carlos. I do admit that the problem is whenever he makes mistakes, it lead to quite a bit of goals we concede. It's somewhat similar to Mignolet. I don't think Mignolet is a bad keeper. It's just that his mistakes are being highlighted due to it having the consequences of us dropping points...

I dont deny he has talent, but this is cancelled out by his sh'it decision making which costs us time after time.
As Ive said, if you want to watch a match through your fingers waiting for his customary, obligatory fu'ck up, then he's your man

His natural talent was never in question, it's just a shame that the boy is brainless. There's no amount of experience that will grow you a brain unfortunately. Think he'll be off soon and rightly so.