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Posted:
Sun Dec 27, 2009 7:52 am
by Owzat
One goal from open play in the last 13 according to SSN, he certainly hasn't been at his best. He's scored only five this season :
1 v Tottenham 5th (a) - penalty to equalise minutes before we conceded the goal that beat us
1 vs Bolton 18th (a) - 83rd minute winner against strugglers Bolton
1 vs Hull 19th (h) - won 6-1 and his was #4, they only just avoided relegation last season
1 vs Brum 8th (h) - promoted last season, penalty to equalise
1 vs Wolves 15th (h) - promoted last season
Not been his best season by any stretch of the imagination, only scoring from open play against sides in the bottom 3rd of the league, but he holds down legend status so won't be criticised by a lot. We need him to display leadership more than ever, he's picked up as many yellows as he's scored from open play (three)
Posted:
Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:56 am
by kazza
I remember when he was first to be sold they were talking about selling Gerrard for around 60 million and that (in those days) the new stadium was supposed to cost around 80-100 million. I remember saying we should sell Gerrard as the stadium was most important. Had we made that deal we might not have had the American owners sucking our club dry and we might have been in our new stadiun already. Clearly he has been a great influence on any success we have had since, but sometimes you need to make tough decisions for long term gain. He is getting older so 60 million for Gerrard? I'd take it!
Posted:
Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:02 am
by bunglemark2
Emerald Red wrote:Sir Roger wrote:Emerald Red wrote:Sir Roger wrote:If Gerrard was sold for 60 million and it was given to Rafa to buy players, would you trust him to buy good enough players with that money?
Yes. Without a doubt, yes. If anything has held under scutiny of the Benitez regime, it's that when he's had it - the money that is - he'd generally bought very well when he's had the luxury of spending roughly 15-20 million on a player. Of course the obvious acception is Robbie Keane, but he was quickly shuffled out the door in fairness. If Rafa was given 60 million to spend in a single summer, then I'd have every confidence he'd find the quality we need. People seem to have forgotten that this is the manager that found us players like Torres, Alonso, Reina, and Mascherano. In today's market, how much would Torres cost us? I'd say the price of all of what we paid for the above players combined.
Thats 4 players Emerald
Out of how many?
Actually, there's been more than four good buys. I'm talking about the premium players; those that cost us between 15-20 million. You also look at some of the lesser players bought. Most were sold for considerable profit. Under Evens and Houllier, we never really made anything on the sh*t they brought in.
ER, I'm not going to get into the debate about Net spend (which seems to be part of the point you've made), but I'll say this : Irrespective of whether the overall spend based on players bought and players sold is round about nil, if a manager goes through the motions of buying 5, or 10, or 20 or whatever number of players, is it not too much to expect that of the 20, say, at least 15 of them might be quality and STILL there 3 years later ? Perhaps 15 is a bit ambitious as many leave for various reasons.....but overall if a club is going to be so active in the transfer market, then an overall low net spend (while admirable) is not what the whole point of the exercise is ?
Surely the point is to identify who you want, quality players, bring them in, and keep the above exercise to a minimum....Rafa has had way too many misses, you'd have to say...
Posted:
Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:33 pm
by mrt
When he did identify players he wanted (eg. Dani Alves, Simao, Barry ffs) the money was not made available. There's no guarantee they would have worked out for us but Rafa could argue he's had to settle for his second or third choices. And no, Gerrard should not be sold.
Posted:
Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:56 pm
by Dinger
I cant see us selling Stevie G, besides the obvious points of his age stopping a high enough transfer fee for us to get someone else to replace him, him being a big player in the spine of the team and the fact that he is Liverpool through and through. I named my cat after him and I don't wanna have to kill/replace it when he signs for Madrid.
Posted:
Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:17 am
by sully0182
no i wouldnt sell him, i wouldnt trust how much of 60 million the yanks would let rafa use for transfers, i'd rather not take the risk, besides theres something about him isnt there??