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Posted: **Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:46 pm**

gato_busta wrote:The problem is you are generalizing teams in South America to basicaly Brazil and Argentina. As for why some friendlies are played in Europe it's because they are played against European teams which rarely, if ever, come to South America. For example, why would Argentina play Paraguay in France? Why would Peru play Brazil in England? We would'nt even be able to enjoy these games since they would probably be aired early in the morning. To do so would be to deprive people of watching their national team, not to mention to deprive players of visiting their homes.

At the end of the day, it really depends on each player if they want to play for their national team. Most players want to play in their countries, front of their fans and family. At least thats what I think, especially if players don't complain about playing friendlies at home.

I'm not generalising, I gave those two teams as examples of teams who play friendlies in Europe as a vast preponderance of their respective squads are based in Europe, combined with the commercial aspect of friendlies in Europe and the corresponding fanbase - this point is relevant to Argentina and Brazil but not teams such as Peru. This is a fact, even by the words of the respective FA's of each nation. It is not the sole reason, but it is often a significant point in favour of playing freindlies in Europe, it makes sense. African teams also do this, as do Australia on occasions.

I have no problem with Mascherano or any other South American player going to play in qualifiers in South America, it's just one of those things. However (not in this instance), to travel so far just for a friendly, in which he may not even play - this scenario has happened in the past I believe - seems absurd. It does not benefit the player, the national team in the long term, or the club.

Posted: **Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:03 pm**

dward wrote:Torres has torn a muscle in his right leg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7042670.stm

10 days without him.

Cráp.

Posted: **Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:13 pm**

He's been overplayed, had he been rotated and rested he would now be fine and dandy.

Posted: **Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:28 pm**

redtrader74 wrote:He's been overplayed, had he been rotated and rested he would now be fine and dandy.

Posted: **Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:42 pm**

EXCLUSIVE: Terry facing new op as injury nightmare takes turn for worse
By MATT LAWTON and NEIL ASHTON - More by this author »

Last updated at 11:05am on 12th October 2007

The England captain will miss tomorrow's European Championship qualifier against Estonia at Wembley after scans confirmed that there is a problem.

The swelling was still so bad yesterday it was impossible for the England and Chelsea medical staff to determine the full extent of the injury, although ligament damage is feared and last night an operation was not ruled out.

Steve McClaren is still hopeful of having his inspirational skipper available for next Wednesday's encounter with Russia in Moscow.

He said: "John will not be fit for Saturday's game against Estonia. He will remain with the squad and his injury will be assessed on a daily basis with a view to Wednesday's match in Russia."

Terry has already shown remarkable resilience this season, playing with a broken toe as well a fractured cheekbone.

But the gutsy centre half had his fears confirmed yesterday when he travelled to a specialist clinic near his home in Surrey with England team doctor Leif Sward.

McClaren will turn to Sol Campbell as a short-term replacement for Terry, enabling the Portsmouth captain to reforge a partnership with Rio Ferdinand that proved so successful for England in the past

Maybe he is injured

Posted: **Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:58 pm**

dward wrote:Torres has torn a muscle in his right leg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7042670.stm

Never rains mate..

Posted: **Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:16 am**

LFC2007 wrote:
gato_busta wrote:The problem is you are generalizing teams in South America to basicaly Brazil and Argentina. As for why some friendlies are played in Europe it's because they are played against European teams which rarely, if ever, come to South America. For example, why would Argentina play Paraguay in France? Why would Peru play Brazil in England? We would'nt even be able to enjoy these games since they would probably be aired early in the morning. To do so would be to deprive people of watching their national team, not to mention to deprive players of visiting their homes.

At the end of the day, it really depends on each player if they want to play for their national team. Most players want to play in their countries, front of their fans and family. At least thats what I think, especially if players don't complain about playing friendlies at home.

I'm not generalising, I gave those two teams as examples of teams who play friendlies in Europe as a vast preponderance of their respective squads are based in Europe, combined with the commercial aspect of friendlies in Europe and the corresponding fanbase - this point is relevant to Argentina and Brazil but not teams such as Peru. This is a fact, even by the words of the respective FA's of each nation. It is not the sole reason, but it is often a significant point in favour of playing freindlies in Europe, it makes sense. African teams also do this, as do Australia on occasions.

I have no problem with Mascherano or any other South American player going to play in qualifiers in South America, it's just one of those things. However (not in this instance), to travel so far just for a friendly, in which he may not even play - this scenario has happened in the past I believe - seems absurd. It does not benefit the player, the national team in the long term, or the club.

not relevant for Peru?

Peru's Current squad:

Keepers: Leao Butrón (San Martín - Peru), Diego Penny (Bolognesi- Peru), Joel Pinto (Alianza Lima- Peru).

Defence: Santiago Acasiete (Almería - Spain), John Galliquio (Dynamo Bucarest - Romania), Martín Hidalgo (Gremio - Brazil), Alberto Rodríguez (Sporting Braga - Portugal), Walter Vílchez (Puebla - Mexico), Ernesto Arakaki (Alianza Lima - Peru) y Amilton Prado (Sporting Cristal - Peru).

Midfield: Paolo de la Haza (Chernomotorets - Ukraine), Henry Quinteros (Lech Poznan - Poland), Nolberto Solano (West Ham - England), Juan Vargas (Catania - Italy) Jefferson Farfán (PSV - Holland), Rinaldo Cruzado (Grasshoppers - Sweden), Damián Osmodes (Sporting Cristal - Peru) y Juan Jayo (Alianza Lima - Peru).

Delanteros: Paolo Guerrero (Hamburg - Germany), Claudio Pizarro (Chelsea - England), Pedro García (San Martín - Peru), William Chiroque (Cienciano - Peru) y Juan Diego González Vigil (Universitario - Peru).

Starting 11:
Butron (San Martin - Peru)
Galliquio (Dynamo Bucarest - Romania)
Acasiete (Almeria - Spain)
Rodriguez (Sporting Braga - Portugal)
Hidalgo (Gremio - Brazil)
Paolo de la Haza (Chornomorets Odessa - Ukraine)
Solano (West Ham - England)
Vargas (Catania - Italy)
Farfan (PSV - Holland)
Pizarro (Chelsea - England)
Guerrero (Hamburg - Germany)

only 10 players of the 24 called to the national squad play in Peru, 11 of them play in Europe. 9 of the starting 11 play in Europe. We did play two friendlies against Ecuador in Spain back in June which were a success attendance wise. The big difference in these cases is that they can play at a foreign stadium full of foreign spectators or they can play at home in front of 60 thousand of their fans.

Friendly matches are done to prepare the team for cups, they have to learn how to cope with opposing fans as well as how to perform in front of their own. Playing in a neutral place is no more than an exhibition match with no pressure on either team.

Posted: **Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:41 pm**

gato_busta wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
gato_busta wrote:The problem is you are generalizing teams in South America to basicaly Brazil and Argentina. As for why some friendlies are played in Europe it's because they are played against European teams which rarely, if ever, come to South America. For example, why would Argentina play Paraguay in France? Why would Peru play Brazil in England? We would'nt even be able to enjoy these games since they would probably be aired early in the morning. To do so would be to deprive people of watching their national team, not to mention to deprive players of visiting their homes.

At the end of the day, it really depends on each player if they want to play for their national team. Most players want to play in their countries, front of their fans and family. At least thats what I think, especially if players don't complain about playing friendlies at home.

I'm not generalising, I gave those two teams as examples of teams who play friendlies in Europe as a vast preponderance of their respective squads are based in Europe, combined with the commercial aspect of friendlies in Europe and the corresponding fanbase - this point is relevant to Argentina and Brazil but not teams such as Peru. This is a fact, even by the words of the respective FA's of each nation. It is not the sole reason, but it is often a significant point in favour of playing freindlies in Europe, it makes sense. African teams also do this, as do Australia on occasions.

I have no problem with Mascherano or any other South American player going to play in qualifiers in South America, it's just one of those things. However (not in this instance), to travel so far just for a friendly, in which he may not even play - this scenario has happened in the past I believe - seems absurd. It does not benefit the player, the national team in the long term, or the club.

not relevant for Peru?

Peru's Current squad:

Keepers: Leao Butrón (San Martín - Peru), Diego Penny (Bolognesi- Peru), Joel Pinto (Alianza Lima- Peru).

Defence: Santiago Acasiete (Almería - Spain), John Galliquio (Dynamo Bucarest - Romania), Martín Hidalgo (Gremio - Brazil), Alberto Rodríguez (Sporting Braga - Portugal), Walter Vílchez (Puebla - Mexico), Ernesto Arakaki (Alianza Lima - Peru) y Amilton Prado (Sporting Cristal - Peru).

Midfield: Paolo de la Haza (Chernomotorets - Ukraine), Henry Quinteros (Lech Poznan - Poland), Nolberto Solano (West Ham - England), Juan Vargas (Catania - Italy) Jefferson Farfán (PSV - Holland), Rinaldo Cruzado (Grasshoppers - Sweden), Damián Osmodes (Sporting Cristal - Peru) y Juan Jayo (Alianza Lima - Peru).

Delanteros: Paolo Guerrero (Hamburg - Germany), Claudio Pizarro (Chelsea - England), Pedro García (San Martín - Peru), William Chiroque (Cienciano - Peru) y Juan Diego González Vigil (Universitario - Peru).

Starting 11:
Butron (San Martin - Peru)
Galliquio (Dynamo Bucarest - Romania)
Acasiete (Almeria - Spain)
Rodriguez (Sporting Braga - Portugal)
Hidalgo (Gremio - Brazil)
Paolo de la Haza (Chornomorets Odessa - Ukraine)
Solano (West Ham - England)
Vargas (Catania - Italy)
Farfan (PSV - Holland)
Pizarro (Chelsea - England)
Guerrero (Hamburg - Germany)

only 10 players of the 24 called to the national squad play in Peru, 11 of them play in Europe. 9 of the starting 11 play in Europe. We did play two friendlies against Ecuador in Spain back in June which were a success attendance wise. The big difference in these cases is that they can play at a foreign stadium full of foreign spectators or they can play at home in front of 60 thousand of their fans.

Friendly matches are done to prepare the team for cups, they have to learn how to cope with opposing fans as well as how to perform in front of their own. Playing in a neutral place is no more than an exhibition match with no pressure on either team.

You are missing the point entirely.

I am well aware of the composition of the Peruvian national squad, I looked it up before hand.

The reason Peru played a couple of friendlies in Europe was probably due to the composition of their squad, rather than the commercial aspect - which is relevant to Brazil and Argentina but not Peru.

Brazil and Argentina will command high attendances anywhere in Europe, Peru will not.

Playing a friendly in Europe, where 9 of your starting line up are based seems to make sense to me. If however, due to the fact that it's a friendly, your manager views it as an exercise to field a second string eleven - who are mainly based in South America, then the match should take place over there.

I fail to see how dragging players so far to perform in South America can be beneficial either to the player, the club or in the long term the national team. The reason is predominantly commercial, filling a stadium of 60,000 home supporters is sure to aid the coffers of the Peruvian FA. Friendly matches don't teach players how to cope with opposing fans, they are predominantly money making exercises.

Posted: **Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:43 pm**

red37 wrote:
dward wrote:Torres has torn a muscle in his right leg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7042670.stm

Never rains mate..

We're already 2 strikers down, and they've not played a p*ssing game yet. :no

Posted: **Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:51 pm**

Lando_Griffin wrote:
red37 wrote:
dward wrote:Torres has torn a muscle in his right leg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7042670.stm

Never rains mate..

We're already 2 strikers down, and they've not played a p*ssing game yet.

Not sure if i can or cant be ar5ed watching this...Satdy without footy is too much to bear though - too boring. After all, when they (England) win..it'll be all over the damn telly all f**king night anyway, so there's no escape really!

Hmm..washing up/hoover or the footy?

Ah bollox...where's me Marigolds!

Posted: **Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:54 pm**

Luckily, I shall be at work so I won't have to watch the sh*te.

Posted: **Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:02 pm**

I'm just relieved they finally found Lampards best position. (on the bench

)

Posted: **Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:12 pm**

Lando_Griffin wrote::laugh:

Luckily, I shall be at work so I won't have to watch the sh*te.

Or not.

I thought it'd be a later KO...

Posted: **Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:13 pm**

s@int wrote:I'm just relieved they finally found Lampards best position. (on the bench )

...Next to the McDonald's outlet...

Posted: **Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:44 pm**

Listen to the atmosphere in the Scotland v Ukraine match, as opposed to the England game. Even before England registered, it is highly embarrassing to hear those 'oompah' bands playing the same s.*i*e over and over..."Engerland...Rule Brittania..Great escape...Ring of bloody fire!!!" thats ours!

Then listen to the crowd north o' the border...no comparison.

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